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The better villain: Voldemort or Palpatine ?

Who is the better villain and why. Cite specific examples to support your argument.


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Palpatine.

Better looking and ruled the galaxy.

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Palpatine.

Better looking and ruled the galaxy.

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Better looking.....bwahahahahahahaha. Bellatrix wanted Voldemort's nuts. No woman wanted Palpatine's old decrepit ass. The scope of Star wars is greater so ruling the galaxy really isn't an answer imo.


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Bellatrix wanted Voldemort's nuts in the books.

Meanwhile, the levies broke in Natalie Portman's underwear, flooding her nether regions with desire when Palpatine whispered lasciviously into her ear in The Phantom Menace.

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Bellatrix wanted Voldemort's nuts in the books.

Meanwhile, the levies broke in Natalie Portman's underwear, flooding her nether regions with desire when Palpatine whispered lasciviously into her ear in The Phantom Menace.
You could tell she did in the movies as well.

Honestly though Voldemort seemed like one of the biggest baddest villains in film history. Do you honestly think Palpatine is a better villain ?


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LoL, this a joke?

Palpatine.

His plans succeeded and they were galactic in scale. His cunning methodical nature > anything Voldermort did. Voldermort couldn't even take out one man-boy wizard permanently.


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LoL, this a joke?

Palpatine.

His plans succeeded and they were galactic in scale. His cunning methodical nature > anything Voldermort did. Voldermort couldn't even take one one man-boy wizard permanently.
His plans succeeded due to luck. Windu defeated him. He's lucky Anakin showed up and interfered when he did. Palpatine had to hide in the shadows because he wasn't strong enough to come out in the open.

Voldemort scared the entire wizarding world. Palpatine needed to use troops to take his fellow brethren by surprise. Palpatine didn't scare the jedi personally. Voldemort scared his brethren and he stood out as the greatest most powerful force ever in a world of wizards.

Palpatine also was taken by surprise by Yoda despite having a galactic army at his behest. He also luckily saved Vader who was spared. In closing a lot of luck had to take place for his plans to succeed. In the end he got tossed down a shaft by his Vader. Where the hell was precog on that one, roberto ?

Due to his mothers actions, Dumbledore's actions, his own soul being in the boy as a horcrux, etc.


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Your need to constantly downplay and speak nonsense over the character you don't like while fanboying the one you do, doesn't make your arguments logically sound on those merits alone.

But you can think Voldermort is the better villain, no worries. Happy hunting.


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Your need to constantly downplay and speak nonsense over the character you don't like while fanboying the one you do, doesn't make your arguments logically sound on those merits alone.

But you can think Voldermort is the better villain, no worries. Happy hunting.
My points are all clear and indisputable. Palpatine hid in the shadows and then took over the senate and demonized jedi only after Anakin saved his life. He begged for his life to Windu. Like I said if we look at pivotal moments he was lucky time and time again. Palpatine hid from the jedi because he knew they'd annihilate him. Upon Voldemort's return the balance of power shifted. The Aurors and the Minister saw him at the end of his duel against Albus. Look at the look of fear on his face. That showed the level of fear and power which overtook an entire world in which existed the same abilities.

Palpatine used an army to enact his plans and hid behind the force of a galaxy. He put himself in a vulnerable position despite having that type of manpower dedicated to his will shows a real lack of foresight and stupidity. Palpatine also didn't really go up against any really wise foes like Voldemort had to deal with either.


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I see the problem, once again you're utterly stuck on "can beat people up" as being the pinnacle of what makes a great villain. That's your childish and simplistic point of view and it's your loss in the end. No worries here. smile

Schemes that conquer a galaxy > failing to conquer Hoqwarts. smile


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I see the problem, once again you're utterly stuck on "can beat people up" as being the pinnacle of what makes a great villain. That's your childish and simplistic point of view and it's your loss in the end. No worries here. smile

Schemes that conquer a galaxy > failing to conquer Hoqwarts. smile
I guess begging for your life makes someone an awesome villain. My point is Voldemort's peers feared him. Palpatine's peers didn't fear him whereas he feared the jedi. Palpatine is a villain who hides and does his dirty business in the shadows. Voldemort can come out into the sun and say here I am. Completely different. Voldemort scared an entire world of his peers whereas Palpatine hid in the shadows from his until he luckily survived after being dominated by Windu to have an army cheapshot the remaining jedi.


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Do you honestly think Palpatine is a better villain ?


yup

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I guess begging for your life makes someone an awesome villain. My point is Voldemort's peers feared him. Palpatine's peers didn't fear him whereas he feared the jedi. Palpatine is a villain who hides and does his dirty business in the shadows. Voldemort can come out into the sun and say here I am. Completely different. Voldemort scared an entire world of his peers whereas Palpatine hid in the shadows from his until he luckily survived after being dominated by Windu to have an army cheapshot the remaining jedi.



All of the Jedi counsel was fearful of the Darkside, that aside.

That's just a rewording of "can beat people up" as being your zenith of what makes a great villain. Your loss.


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Why ?


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All of the Jedi counsel was fearful of the Darkside, that aside.

That's just a rewording of "can beat people up" as being your zenith of what makes a great villain. Your loss.
Part of being a great villain is instilling fear in the opposition. Yes, they are fearful of the dark side just not Palpatine. They went right at him and Windu broke him. Begging for your life doesn't really instill fear from your opponent.

Voldemort had the Minister of defense shitting his pants at the mere sight of him.

Accept defeat gratefully for once in your life, robbie.


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Why ?


I believe he's better acted, more interesting, and more effective as a villain.

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I believe he's better acted, more interesting, and more effective as a villain.
Better acted than Ralph Fiennes ? Subjective so I won't push that along with more interesting.

I think the more effective part has to do with luck at key pivotal moments though.


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Better acted than Ralph Fiennes ? Subjective so I won't push that along with more interesting.


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I think the more effective part has to do with luck at key pivotal moments though.


Not really, but ok.

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Not really, but ok.
I disagree on the better acted query but meh. I think both actors were masterful.

How else can you describe his survival at the hands of Windu ? He left himself totally open after revealing himself to Anakin.


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How else can you describe his survival at the hands of Windu ? He left himself totally open after revealing himself to Anakin.


Using evidence from the film alone, it's pretty obvious that he was leading Anakin into an elaborate trap. He telepathically lures Anakin from the Council Chambers (check the scene where he and Padme are exchanging teary-eyed glances from across the cityscape) and loses right as he walks through the front door.

Which would also explain how he's able to stalemate the more powerful Yoda later in the duel.

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