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Why did Zack Snyder choose to ruin Jonathan Kent?

Jonathan Kent is who made Superman the hero he is. Instead in MOS he was a coldblooded jerk who was willing to let a bus full of kids drown to not expose his son. Also that stupid tornado scene where Clark totally could have rush in and grab him out, nobody would even notice and nothing would have happened. It's just that Kevin Costner's great acting didn't let him to be bashed too much.

Instead shouldn't it be:

Jonathan Kent saw the bus fell, he tried his best to save them and help his son cover, thumb up for Clark's action.

Jonathan Kent tried to save ppl who got struck when tornado came and got injured, then he told Clark: Do not be too sad when you cannot save everyone, but never hesitate when you have the chance to use your power to help others.

THIS is what he is.

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No idea. Dad issues?


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He's not wrong though. He made Pa Kent an extremely cold and assholish character who was more concerned about the government taking and experimenting on Clark(like they could if he just said no) than helping people or raising him to be a good person.

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Man of steel came out like 10 years ago right?


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7 years. What is your point?

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I was asking a question, feels like double that


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He's not wrong though. He made Pa Kent an extremely cold and assholish character who was more concerned about the government taking and experimenting on Clark(like they could if he just said no) than helping people or raising him to be a good person.

That portrayal was one of the (many) reasons I’ve said Snyder just doesn’t get Superman. I mean, the action scenes and power scope were fun to watch, but the movie had the opposite of heart. stick out tongue


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That portrayal was one of the (many) reasons I’ve said Snyder just doesn’t get Superman. I mean, the action scenes and power scope were fun to watch, but the movie had the opposite of heart. stick out tongue


Yeah. I enjoyed how he showed the realistic side of what happens when people who can knock over buildings get into a brawl. But he took Superman and turned it into the darkest, most depressing thing ever. It would've worked great if he did that with a solo Batman movie but not Supes.

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The villains of MOS were very well set.

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MoS Jonathan was a more realistic father than his comic counterpart, or most incarnations, who knew the real dangers and risk of alienation his son would face if the world knew who he really was, despite his powers. You also have to take into account that Clark was young and still in his teens when Jonathan died. If Jonathan had lived to see Clark at his full potential, he probably would have been less reserved in regards to his son's hero-status.

Jonathan was also conflicted over the bus, I believe the commentary was something like "maybe, I don't know." when asked by Clark if he should have let everyone die. Which tells us he wasn't flat out heartless over the scenario, just torn between his son doing the right thing and risking himself.


Play the scene out if Clark had been discovered, say someone with a camera had recorded Clark pushing the bus out of the water. People would have investigated, the government would eventually get involved and while Clark was probably strong enough to fight off any attempts to take him as a kid, what kind of life would the he and his parent's have going forward.


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Snyder probably didn't want him to be a poor man's version of Uncle Ben.


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MoS Jonathan was a more realistic father than his comic counterpart, or most incarnations, who knew the real dangers and risk of alienation his son would face if the world knew who he really was, despite his powers. You also have to take into account that Clark was young and still in his teens when Jonathan died. If Jonathan had lived to see Clark at his full potential, he probably would have been less reserved in regards to his son's hero-status.

Jonathan was also conflicted over the bus, I believe the commentary was something like "maybe, I don't know." when asked by Clark if he should have let everyone die. Which tells us he wasn't flat out heartless over the scenario, just torn between his son doing the right thing and risking himself.


Play the scene out if Clark had been discovered, say someone with a camera had recorded Clark pushing the bus out of the water. People would have investigated, the government would eventually get involved and while Clark was probably strong enough to fight off any attempts to take him as a kid, what kind of life would the he and his parent's have going forward.




Yeah there was a moral dilemma there in that Clark getting discovered as a child would not be a good thing.

Still think it was overprotection when as a grown man hes still not allowing him to help him. But maybe the issue was more with Clark there. He chose (as a kid) to save the bus, but chose not to save his Dad when hes a lot older just because his dad says dont.

Jonathan still sacrificed himself to protect Clarks secret though. Cant really fault him for that.

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Pa Kent and Ma Kent suck as supporting characters; can't really blame Snyder for changing them.


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Dying in a tornado is the most interesting thing Pa Kent has done since 1939...


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It wasn't just Jonathan. Martha was garbage also.

“Be their hero, Clark. Be their monument, be their angel, be anything they need you to be. Or be none of it. You don’t owe this world a thing. You never did.”

"For 33 years we prepared until finally we detected a distress beacon which you triggered when you accessed the ancient scout ship. You led us here, Kal."-Zod

Doesn't owe us my ass.

If Jonathan heard Martha say that to Clark in the comics he would have booted her off the farm.

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He didn't "choose to". He just sucks @ss at writing. None of the side characters were any good either. Kent just happened to be one of the worst.


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It wasn't just Jonathan. Martha was garbage also.

“Be their hero, Clark. Be their monument, be their angel, be anything they need you to be. Or be none of it. You don’t owe this world a thing. You never did.”

"For 33 years we prepared until finally we detected a distress beacon which you triggered when you accessed the ancient scout ship. You led us here, Kal."-Zod

Doesn't owe us my ass.

If Jonathan heard Martha say that to Clark in the comics he would have booted her off the farm.


TBF, the Kents had no way of knowing Clark's space-cradle would signal a spaceship of Kryptonian convicts hell bent on destroying and rebuilding Earth, because Mars apparently didn't have curb appeal.


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He had a choice of teaching his kid to do what was right or what was easy, he chose to teach Clark to do what was easy


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