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aniron
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welsh in lotr

does anyone else think that elvish might have been based on the welsh language?
here are some examples:

Goled is "Light" in Elvish - Golau is "Light" in welsh

Hon is "this" in Elvish - Hon is "this" in welsh
it also sounds pretty much like elvish

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well, Tolkien is a prof in english language so, he made it up himself, but of course he could take some base orso

Oct 12th, 2003 10:00 PM

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Arwenishott
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i dunno im one hundred oercent american and damn proud of it.

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oooooh welshwelshwelshwelshwelsh I love welsh so much...

Tolkien used it for creating Sindarin but I think mostly the sound
He said he liked it a lot cuz its so beautiful and all...

Interesting are there more words like that?

what language is "goled"?

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Probably getting my documentaries all mixed-up, but I thought Elvish was inspired by some Scandinavian language?

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Exabyte
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... Quenya was inspired by Finnish, yes, Sindarin by Welsh.
They use the same roots for the words but they turn out differently, fitting the language's sound-style.

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Oct 13th, 2003 12:49 PM

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Oh okay. Thank you.

Now I really have to ask, how do you know so much?

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Exabyte
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So much? Thats nothing I mean just look at Mormegil or Ush

Well I'm just interested

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Oct 13th, 2003 01:02 PM

aniron
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quote:
Originally posted by Exa
... Quenya was inspired by Finnish, yes, Sindarin by Welsh.
They use the same roots for the words but they turn out differently, fitting the language's sound-style.

what language is sindarin?

p.s I knew that id find you here exa lol

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You can find more info here, aniron smile

http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/

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Exabyte
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quote:
Originally posted by aniron
what language is sindarin?

p.s I knew that id find you here exa lol

Of course

hm

Sindarin is greyelven and I think in the Third Age the most common elven language (while Quenya is rather like elven-latin... quite dead language)
Its the one mostly spoken in the film (except perhaps sarumans spell, that was Quenya)

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Oct 16th, 2003 01:19 PM

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Quenya was the ORIGINAL language. It simply means Speech. It is unsuitable for many purposes, though.

Welsh is a Celtic language so little wonder it forms part of the LOTR language base.

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Well, Sindarin isnt even a Sindarin word but Quenya; the Sindarin name for Sindarin probably was edhellen, "elvish"; cuz why should they name what they use to speak? Pointless.

But not the modern Quenya; The original language is only reconstructed (as "protoeldarin"), and Quenya is derived from it as well as Sindarin, Telerin a.s.o.
fx the protoeldarin word for "tree" was something like *galada... in Quenya, g > 3 vanished and as a isnt an important letter in Quenya and d cannot occur alone, it was quenya "alda"... while in Sindarin, there are are seldomly words with a in the end which isnt very practical when speaking fast... but it didnt vanish completely but instead gave some air to d which became dh - galadh.

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Oct 17th, 2003 01:58 PM

aniron
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thanx

Sinadarin is the form of legolas, but his dad is silva (or is it the other way) is silvan also based on a certain language?

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Wow, both Finnish AND Welsh has been mentioned! I love those languages, I just wish that I could speak them!!

(Well, I know a little Finnish, but that is all!)

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aniron
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okay this is for everyone:

I love the lord of the rings= rydw i yn caru 'the lord of the rings'

a bit of welsh for ya stick out tongue

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(please log in to view the image) that's awesome aniron, i wish that i was good at it least one other foriegn language...

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aniron
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welsh is my second language (i live in wales - its not as good as its cracked up to be)

rydw i yn caru um......elves ?

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BingaBonga
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i've been learning spanish for now 5 years and i feel like i don't know too much of it still, i guess for some people learning languages come easy, sadly i'm not one of those people.... sad