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Army of The Dead

The army of the dead in the Two Towers, I am sure the army of the dead is in that swamp place Gollum takes Sam & Frodo over (when frodo fell into the light)...but why does Aragon seek them in the cave?

The two Towers may not have shown the armny of the dead it may have just been something else, I am not sure?!?


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I'm confused. Do u mean the army of the dead is why he goes into the mt., or that the army of the dead is in TTT. Just clarify and I will try to help.


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no thats just not right at all sorry, the army of the dead where in a cave, but the people in the swamp were also dead, just they arent the army


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No the army of the dead isnt from the dead marshes although it sounds like it could be. They are from a mountain pass that when the living pass through none come out alive. Hence the name armies of the dead. I just cant remember the name of the mountain pass.


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yeah but humans that die in there do not turn into members of the army, the army are soldiers who refused to fight sauron under oath


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yea, i member now


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I'm not sure what Discos question is>


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to explain a bit more... (spolier; sorry, don't know how to do these...)

From E of Arda
Path's of the Dead...A subterranean realm beneath the White Mountains above the valley of the River Morthond. The dwelling place through the Third Age of the Dead, Men cursed by Isildur for breaking their oath of fealty to him, and made to remain in Middle-earth until his rightful heir was to call for their aid.


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1 Isildur laid a curse on the King of the Dead and his people that they would not rest until their broken oath to him was fulfilled, and that curse was the reason that these people haunted the Paths of the Dead. Isildur laid his curse before he went to war with Sauron, but he couched it in these terms: 'And if the West prove mightier than thy Black Master, this curse I lay upon thee and thy folk...' (The Return of the King V 2). The West did indeed prove mighter than Sauron, but not until II 3441, about eleven years after Isildur originally said these words.
It can't be stated with certainty that the Paths were occupied immediately after the curse took effect: their settlement may have taken years or even decades. Nonetheless, the curse that founded the Paths of the Dead took effect with the first Fall of Barad-dûr, hence the dating shown above.

2 8 March III 3019 is the date that Aragorn led the Dead out of their Paths towards the final fulfilment of their oath, after which the Paths of the Dead would be deserted. The Dead themselves continued to exist for several days, until they were released by Aragorn at Pelargir on 13 March.


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yay the paths of the dead, that was really start to bug me cause i couldnt member the name.


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My question was.

In the two towers you get to see ghosts in the swamp (in which frodo falls into to), I was wondering if thats where Aragon wen tot get the armies of the dead (as I thought those people in the swamp were armies of the dead) but turns out they are in a cave.

I was wondering why Aragon went to a cave/mountain to find the armie of the dead when they were in the swomp...But they arnt in the swamp afterall

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Did you read my post? I think it answers your question quite well, but let me know if you are still confussed. In short, the answer to if Aragorn went back to the Dead Marshes to get those dead guys, is no. Totally not the same "people". The ones in the Dead Marshes are from the last War with Sauron.


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Ah yes the paths of the dead Im soooo looking forword to seeing that part. yes the army of the dead sounds cool.I wonder if Aragorn will get them to fight huh. But you do have to admit that the dead are a little creepy messed

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OK guys Discos asked a yes or no question the answer is simply

NO, NO, NON, NEIN, NIET, IEH, UHN-UHN no


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Originally posted by orlandoOYEA
No the army of the dead isnt from the dead marshes although it sounds like it could be. They are from a mountain pass that when the living pass through none come out alive. Hence the name armies of the dead. I just cant remember the name of the mountain pass.


The mountain pass is called the Dwimorberg.

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The mountain pass is called the Dwimorberg.


exactly! big grin

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Originally posted by eldarion
Did you read my post? I think it answers your question quite well, but let me know if you are still confussed. In short, the answer to if Aragorn went back to the Dead Marshes to get those dead guys, is no. Totally not the same "people". The ones in the Dead Marshes are from the last War with Sauron.


Yes I did, thank you eldarion, I read it before posting the reply but I just posted the respone to show my point to someone who asked "I dont get discos's question"

Yep I noticed it was the people from the previous battle with Sauron thats why I assumed they would come back to battle his forces again, but what you said was very very helpful


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