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memoreizing elvish

for all of u ppl out there that r trying to learn elvish...how r u doing it?? what is the easiest way to memorize??


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Well i find theeasiest way is not to make three seperate threads about itsmile


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Read the popular quotes (film or book) and names again and again, they have a nice melody so you can easily remember them if you try seriously... then you somehow get a feeling for the language, as unlike real foreign languages you cant really listen to songs or well-known names ... by doing that, you automatically remember some of the most basic words and structures

After a while, "elvish" begins to sound familiar, and without really learning it, you know some basic words, from now on it's the same as in "real" foreign languages - try to translate things based on the words you already know... like, if you know the word for "star", look up the other words and the grammar and try to translate "the star shines in heaven" or stuff like that... or "I see a star"... whatever
Or - use some elvish quote you like and where you know what it means, and see if you could translate it
of course the result is a lot of nonsense in the beginning stick out tongue but that helps

Just - dont concentrate on learning words in the beginning, rather understand the structure, then learning the words will work automatically after a while smile

There are some good elvish courses online, try one of them - but I dont think its the best thing to start with them, better first get a sense for the character of the language and listen, then learn and say things yourself.

That takes a while, but in my opinion it works quite well smile

And for memorizing single words - speak them again and again, write them down (!) while thinking of the meaning, many of Tolkien's words are concepted to somehow sound like the thing they represent - I mean, MŰr just cant mean anything else than "dark"... smile or "ech" - such a sharp word... means "spear" smile ... "hathol", like hissing air and then a sudden dark stop -> means "axe" smile


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i am an expert at elvish! ask me any thing! i will be happy to teach you what i know if you need that of me


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Keep a wordlist at hand, and continuously refer back to it.


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well both or whatever


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one question...when will you use elvish in your everyday lives? Planning a summer vacation to the undying lands? c'mon, ppl. why donít you learn Arabic and make some money in the middle east , or something. if you're gonna take the time to learn another language, at least let it be worth something. be productive. bilinguals make alot of cash...learn a real language people. no elvish, please. its for your own good.

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what's wrong withn learning elvish? People have learned Klingon (from Star Trek for all u non-trekkies) People learn non-real langs for fun. U can't stop ppl from having fun, can u?


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quote:
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one question...when will you use elvish in your everyday lives? Planning a summer vacation to the undying lands? c'mon, ppl. why donít you learn Arabic and make some money in the middle east , or something. if you're gonna take the time to learn another language, at least let it be worth something. be productive. bilinguals make alot of cash...learn a real language people. no elvish, please. its for your own good.

What the f**k?


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quote:
Originally posted by Hiriledain
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Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
one question...when will you use elvish in your everyday lives? Planning a summer vacation to the undying lands? c'mon, ppl. why donít you learn Arabic and make some money in the middle east , or something. if you're gonna take the time to learn another language, at least let it be worth something. be productive. bilinguals make alot of cash...learn a real language people. no elvish, please. its for your own good.

Why only think so commercially erm
Maybe people learn elvish languages because they actually like the language and will never like any other language that much?
Maybe people learn it because no other language they know equals it in the beauty of its grammatical, phonetical and etymological structure?
Maybe they learn it because they think loving a language is worth a lot more than the ability to make money with it?
Maybe because they like playing around with languages that gives them creative freedom as there will never be somebody being able to tell them the way they express things is wrong?
Maybe they like the challenge of trying to work with a language that doesn't have words for anything so their own sense of finding alternate ways of expressing things is required?
Maybe they want to say things they would never tell anybody in a 'real' language because they don't want others to know it, and still have to get it off their chest?

Maybe they simply have a philological taste similar to Tolkien's?

Or maybe all of that together?


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smile I agree yes ELvish is a lot preetier and nicer than other languages to learn yes

And if you really love a language, it is easier to learn, because you WANT to yes


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It is kinda hard though


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Memorizing elvish

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i am an expert at elvish! ask me any thing! i will be happy to teach you what i know if you need that of me

How do you say Legolas in elvish

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You know, I bet all of those geeks who learned Elfish in highschool by themselves got laughed at...And then, they got to help make LoTR and made lots of money...look who's laughing now!! I've tried multible times (though not recently) to try to learn Elfish from the back of RoTK (the appendix) but it's always been too complicated for me. I can write dwarfish!


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Re: Memorizing elvish

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How do you say Legolas in elvish

'Legolas' is elvish blink
a silvan dialect of Sindarin, to be exact erm a combination of the words "Laigolas" and "Legolast" probably ("Greenleaves" and "Keensighted")

Written like this (first Tengwar, then Runes/Cirth)

Attachment: legolas.jpg
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ill just say this

"Nithio Iifillin!"

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translate that!

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Nithio... isn't that Welsh for "winnow" messed
I've never heard of Iifillin messed but isn't 'ifillin' a Finnish word confused

But in any Eldarin language blink no idea... Nithio could be the imperative of a verb "nithia-", but I don't know any like that... unless its derived from nÓth 'youth'?

*is lost*


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