I don't know, Lurtz was damn skilled, wasn't he the first Uruk-Hai that Saruman created? (It looked like that in the film at least, and since he does not exist in the book....)
Well since he was able to duke it out for a short while with Aragorn, while others died like flies, I'd say Lurtz take it. The orc Gothmog.... I have no idea who he is, so I can't say...
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It's hard to tell... Ugluk and Lurtz are pretty much the same. because there is no lurtz in the books, and ugluk is the leader of the uruk-hai who captured merry and pippin. so the should be equally good. now peter jackson has made this lurtz figure, and he is a good fighter. and P J's ugluk probably is the orc who leads the group of uruks in the two towers. further more, we don't know anything about ugluks skills... well I think lurtz takes him out. he's a lot better then normal uruk-hai.
can't remember ever hearing about an orc named gothmog...
ok, thanks for the help. peter Jackson must have changed the story though. giving gothmog a bigger role. because he seems to bee the one leading the attack on osgiliath. just wondering, kinda off topic, but what happened to the witch-king. he couldn't have died. his life was bound to the ring as well. well, he left the battle field. that's for sure.
I think the book makes it pretty clear that he does die....
(Translated directly from the Swedish version)
"His robe and crown was now empty, formless where they laid on the ground broken, and a cry in the air faded away in a moaning shriek, and was carried away by the wind, a voice without a body, a thin and terrible voice that faded away and was consumed by space and never to be heard of again...."
I think it's pretty clear that he died, at least in a way that spirits die. Either way, he would never return...
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my interpretation of that quote is that he made an awful cry of pain and then disappeared. his spirit should have survived though, but just like sauron he can never take physical form again unless he or sauron gets the ring. nor can he die unless the ring is destroyed.
It could be possible that the Witch-King in that instant was sent to the Void the same place that the fates of Morgoth, Sauron and the other Eight will take them. Whilst he would not be "dead" his spirit would be held in the void until the Dagor Dagorath. When upon then it is possible, he could return.
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I'm just evolving the topic, I accept totally that he was destroyed at least temporarily.
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Well, I agree with the Fallen's theory as the it seems the most logical, still, I would say that weren't the minions of Melkor the one's who were supposed to return on the Day of Dagor Dagorath, and as to the other freinds on the forum, Ugluk isn't as bad as PJ made him and also, PJ gave most of the part of Ugluk to Lurtz, so Lurtz was just a substitution in the movie, the rest about the battle , you can do the imagery in your mind.
All said and done, I'd say that Ugluk would Win and as I haven't read LOTR since ages past, I can't comment about Gothmog, though the name is one to instill fear in a foes mind, I would not comment on his battle prowess and move on and say that not all strategic geniuses are good warriors, Sauron and Melkor are ample examples though the latter was much more than that.
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