I have to say I think Vader would win this. The Force can be used as both Passive and Offensive to a much higher degree than the natural power of the Istari. The Istari generally doesn't manifest something as deadly as Force Lightning and especially not for any sustained period of time. Even if we compare the two on a physical combat level longsword vs Lightsaber really doesn't work too well.
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vader wins this. he can do thins that gandalf can't parry. for example he choked a human being through a camera. he wasn't even in the same room!! I don't know if vader can do force lightning, he doesn't do it in the movie anyway. gandalf makes a small lightning in bilbo when attacked by goblins. nothing compared with sidious attacks really... gandalf will be defence less to the lightsaber as well. and vader can simply pull gandalfs staff. then gandalf can do even less. vader pwns.
Vader should have been able to use force lightening in theory, but due to his injuries he lost a lot of his power. It is also a strong theory that the force lightening requires organic matter to pass through as such Vader would not be able to fire it through his hands. Still even without the offensive threat of Force Lightning. Gandalf is defenseless against the Choking methods of Vader and lacks the offensive power to take him down.
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A couple things about this. People say Vader could use the force choke but from what I remember(correct me if I'm wrong) didn't that not work on stronger willed people? I don't think he's ever used it on a Jedi for instance and Gandalf may be no Jedi but he's much more powerful then any regular person.
Also during the battle between Saruman and Gandalf they used pushes and pulls with magic similar to something you would see done with the force. Being Gandalf is more powerful as Gandalf the White then Saruman, I think it wouldn't be completely impossible that he could pull Vader's saber away just as easily as Vader could pull his staff. Of course this idea is based soley on the movies, as far as the LoTR novels I've only read the first one and not sure of the extent of Gandalf's power.
But the fact that a light saber can cut through anything that Gandalf might have, he's still at an unfair disadvantage. I just think it would be alittle closer then Vader simply pwning Gandalf.
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Hm..not exactly.
In one of the comics, Vader force chocked a Jedi Master, while saber fighting another. Also, even if Vader lost his saber he still ahs more physical strength then Gandalph, and cana lso still use the force.
vader would win, but I agree that he wouldn't pwn.
On a side note I've never under stood why people spell it Gandalph...Anyhoo. Gandalf is pretty strong willed but the fight between Saurman and Gandalf involving the pushes and pulls is somewhat of a film "make it look good for the punters" thing. Its not like the force one cannot just yank things from each others hands swords etc. It may also be wise to point out that Gandalf's power was not housed in his staff it was within him. Without his staff he wouldn't have been powerless. He is however very unlikley to win against Vader.
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I belive you are confusing it with mind trick, cause choking people isn't limited to that, you actually don't try to mess with their mind, you just take a grip around their throat. He could force crush him as well, which would crush his lungs and... well his entire body....
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vader has the force but gandalf has a beard, and vader cant compete with that cause have you seen that cat with his helmet off its like one of those hairless dogs......anyways gandalf would win cause he can grow facial hair........
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Nah, its the other way around.
Vader is a lot more powerful in the OT then he was in the PT. More powerful in the force, anywya. But he had a pretty good one handed Djem-So thing going on to. He DID kill like, 6 Jedi Masters by himself at the same time in his suit.
All well and good to say Gandalf would win in your opinion, but why do you think that. What could he use against Vader looking at the limitations put upon the character.
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