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This is my theory. the ring wraiths had rings of power and used them.
The chief ring wraith was killed on the feild outside minas tirath,What happened to his ring?
Was it found and given to Aragorn ,who then used it to lead his army against mordor??????????????????
The lesser rings were not evil in themselves and could be used safly as were the three elven rings..
And just to be a pain , why where the wraiths rings not lost when the wraiths bodys where washed away at the river???????????????/
I agree with ush here, I strongly believe that the elves are the only race who can safely use the lower rings, about the one ring, I think destroying it is for the best
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you are total wrong(I think )
The dwarfs used their rings and the nine were made by the elves for men to use
Sauron only made the one ring by himself, the elves made the nine rings in good fiath
Also the one ring did not find itself back to sauron it was lost for years.
And if the captain of the wraiths was killed (and he was u know) then where would the ring make its way to????
No, the ring lay on the battle field waiting to be found. The question is by who?
The rings made thier wearers great captains/kings/warriors
Who became a great king and a warrior?(answers on a post card please)
The more I type the more sence it makes
ushgarak siad the elves where uncoruptable if so why were they afraid to use the one ring.HUH,HUH,HUH,?
Can the Ring Wraiths actually be killed, they are not really alive, they are in between life and death and only the destruction of the one ring which continues to control them will allow them to die.
These were the nine great kings, who were corrupted and used by Sauron for his purposes, if Aragorn had tried to use the ring then Aragorn would have suffered the same fate.
i don't recall anything about the nazgul's ring. But why woould aragorn try to use it. He can't weild it and i thought the 9 rings were a methode to insnare anyone foolish enough to accept them without asking questions...
People let us remember the rhyme,"Nine rings for mortal men doomed to die"
The nine rings where ment to be used by the kings of old.
And if you recall at the battle field the wraith declared that not by the hand of mortal man shall he be killed(KILLED). he was killed by a woman and a hobbit.
Arogorn could have used the ring , as did Gandalf used the elven ring even though he was no elf.
the nine rings where not evil in themselves only if sauron regained the one would he be able to control the new owner of the rings(all the rings includeing the elven rings, if that happened then it would not matter any way) so why would Arogorn not use the ring?, he used the stones????????
glorfindel it ain't because the elves made the rings that it is safe for humans to use them. and the one ring is made by sauron, sauron has with out a doubt made the most powerful ring, the elves can use the lower rings, but they are SMART enough NOT to try using the one ring like gandalf did. idd the dwarves used their rings, but do they still have their rings I doubt it
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we don't know what the elven rings actually do. But the 9 rings for men are means of enslaving them. Their power isn't real. Aragorn was endurant enough to pass the test of not accepting THE ONE RING so why would he want one of the 9?
fire we do know what the three rings do (read the book) and that the elves do use them ,
the nine where not meant to enslave men(why would elves want to do that?).the only harm that would come to Arogorn is if the one ring (which is evil) was found and used. againn why would Arogorn not use the ring. it was his right too.
not the elves want to enslave the men...sauron. The one ring was forged to controllt he others. And again....why would aragorn use it? It would be a sign of weakness
Glorfindel, you appear to be in COMPLETE ignorance of the basic tenets of this story.
It does not matter what the rings were created for. Sauron CORRUPTED THEIR PURPOSE, and with the One Ring doomed those who used them to corruption.
Only the spiritual Elves could resist, and the hardy Dwarves got away with only a lust for gold.
But MAN had no such defence, and any man attempting to use a Ring was doomed to corruption, and that is exactly what happened! That's what the Nazguls ARE! THAT is what Aragorn would become should he try to use the Ring! That corruptive influence did NOT stop when Sauron lost the Ring; it exists as long as the One Ring does.
But not even the Elves can resist the power of the One Ring- in that they would attempt to use it's ultimate power for good and in doing so BECOME evil.
The One Ring does not work like the others, it is entirely different
So in future, before you start mouthoing off so ignorantly, check your VERY BASIC FACTS first.
I said the Nazgul's rings made their way back after the incident at the Ford, not after the death of the Witch-King.
And if you knew what you were talking about you would also know that all the rings try to make their way back to ther masters. The One Ring was prevented from doing so for a considerable period of time; clearly the rings of the Ringwraiths were not.
Incidentally, your idiocy in thinking that Eowyn as a woman there avoids the 'man' thing is extreme. The term 'man' was meant as in 'mankind' in that instance.
Questions are appreciated here but please check your facts before you mock others.
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Errm, you do know that ESB was on whilst you were typing all this. And I do kind of agree with what you are saying but do you not think you are perhaps being a tad harsh?
And no, I do not. If someone speaks in such critical terms, calls me and others totally wrong and uses mocking phrases, then he should check his facts before he posts. I have no hesitation in countering ignorance with criticism.
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Criticising ignorance, are you sure that's what you did, if you read his posts properly is it not possible you were criticising stupidity which is not very fair is it?
Well, I make no great effort to discover whether his errors result from ignorance or stupidity.
But understand this- you post a view, it is subject to criticism. You post a view forcefully and mocking others- challenging them, even- prepared to be slapped right down if you have made a mess of it. For whatever reason.
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I understand and agree with what you are saying, but I still maintain Glorfindel's comments are due to lack of understanding or stupidity, eg for someone to interpret 'not by the hand of mortal man shall he be killed(KILLED).' and then state that 'he was killed by a woman and a hobbit.' and think that this means the wraith would be dead not be deemed to be stupid or have totally mis-understood.
Actually wouldn't that be the definition of ignorance, ok you win you are right.
so....it's true that i do tend to avoid sentences like "you're totally wrong" and so on but i don't think glorfindel's statements were because of ignorance n'or stupidity. Many of us (me too) don't understand parts of lotr and that's why threads are openned about some of 'em.
I think that the part with the nazgul not being killed by mortal man reffers to man as in male. why else could he be so clearly killed by a woman. The hobbits had his role in damaging him ut can we say he killed it?
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