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Darth Ninja
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Will Master Qui-Gon Jinn's ghost be in Episode 2?
As I mentioned before on the previous SW board My favorite character is Master Qui-Gon Jinn. I hope his ghost will be seen in Episode 2.
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Apr 11th, 2001 10:29 PM |
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Ushgarak
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I love the man too but we're almost certain that it's not going to happen.
Aside from the practicality of it (Liam Neeson has not, to anyone's knowledge, been shooting scenes), the aft is (and will this start an argument with queeq again...) the ghost trick is not something that Qui-Gon can do. He did not disappear into the Force in Ep I and so won't be back.
Remember, the ghost trick is not a general Jedi ability. It is a specific plot point for Ben and Yoda.
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Apr 11th, 2001 10:36 PM |
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Ratcat
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There have been recent rumours that Liam Neeson was at Ealing Studios for a couple of days over the last few weeks when pick up shots were being done.
How true they are I don't know, but that would certainly have been ample time to get a few minutes of footage for Ghost scenes.
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Apr 11th, 2001 10:48 PM |
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Raz
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I don't really think he will be back, as they burnt his body in Ep1. All the spirits in the OT that returned had vanished on their death.
He could although be back in a flashback scene. Maybe when Count Dooku is rumored to tell Obi-Wan about him being Qui-Gons former master...
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Apr 11th, 2001 10:55 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Flashback scenes would be unprecedented in Star Wars... recordings on the other hand...
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Apr 11th, 2001 10:58 PM |
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Ratcat
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Hmmmm, 10 years after the death of his master Obi Wan finds a hiolodron from Qui Gon.
Different, but not entirely unplausible.
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Apr 11th, 2001 11:26 PM |
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Ushgarak
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When we were debating the possibility of Shmi scenes in Episode III that she had apparently already shot (where did I Got My Beat go, BTW?), I advancd the possibility of a recording when others said flashback. I even think that idea is credible.
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Apr 11th, 2001 11:43 PM |
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Ratcat
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OH, I agree, highly plausible idea. One that I don't think has really been explored anough by anyone to be honest.
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Apr 12th, 2001 12:14 AM |
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JediOasis
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I just think that Qui-Gon will return because if he doesn't then what would have been the purpose of his character? Why not just have Obi-Wan be an official Jedi in EP I and have him do everything. We may not see him in EP II but we should in EP III.
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Apr 12th, 2001 12:27 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Woo-hoo! More Council approval... I may just stay after all...
So... any confirmation on that Liam Neeson rumour?
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Apr 12th, 2001 12:28 AM |
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Dim
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There's no way we're going to get any real comfirmation on that.. at this point it seems like it's one of the few little "what if"s that LFL has to keep us on our toes...I'd bet they're trying very hard not to let this one out of the bag.
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Apr 12th, 2001 11:00 AM |
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Sparky12
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touching on what raz and ushgarak said, i do not believe that not disappearing into the force necessarily dictates whether or not a fallen jedi will posess the ability to appear in the physical world. as a point of reference, in return of the jedi, shortly after anakin is burned by luke, anakin appears before him along side yoda and obi-wan. this was done without anakin disappearing.
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Apr 20th, 2001 08:40 AM |
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JediOasis
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Actually, Anakin did disappear, Luke was burning the Vader suit.
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Apr 20th, 2001 12:16 PM |
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queeq
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Oh, there we go again. THere is NO canonical evidence that Luke just burned the suit. No matter what McCallum says. NO evidence whatsoever. If Lucas wanted to make clear he disappeared he would have shown it. He did so before TWICE. Would he not do so with the second most important character next to Luke.
As for QGJ, these additional shoots in London are the perfect opportunity to film Neeson. GL did say that the disappearing of Jedi would be explained in the upcoming movies, so I keep my fingers crossed and hope for Neeson's return.
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Apr 20th, 2001 12:49 PM |
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Ratcat
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I have this vague memory of seening a scene where Anakin vanished but it could be my imagination...
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Apr 20th, 2001 05:04 PM |
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Ushgarak
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This debate again... whopee!
No, we don't know for ABSOLUTLY CERTAIN that Anakin disappeared.... but it is by far the most logical way, and RM is PROBABLY talking factually when he said it was so.
IF the disappearing AND the Ghost Trick are seperated, then they BOTH have to be mysterious and unknown things that Yoda and Obi-Wan discover in Episodes II and III (remember that NEITHER event is common for a Jedi, or even heard of). It makes far more sense for the two to be linked! Hence the three we see in the Force anre the same three who disappear And I rather think that is how we will see it.
Except a ghost appearance by Qui-Gon would mess it up. So I still go for recording! I would find it amazing that Qui-Gon would return as a ghost and that Anakin didn't klnow about it (which he can't), but I suppose it;s not totally impossible.
I still think I'm right on this one.
By the way- I don't have them to hand right now, so can anyone tell us what the novel and/or radio play have to say about this? Because they ARE semi-canonical...
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Apr 20th, 2001 07:31 PM |
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Darth Pants
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: England
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I never liked the idea that the disappearing was a 'trick', I thought of it more as the Force itself making a decision to allow a Jedi to become one with it.
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Apr 20th, 2001 07:46 PM |
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Ushgarak
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May well be. 'Trick' is just used as a generic term. But remember it is not normal- in fact, it appears Obi-Wan was the first ever to do it, unless someone beats him to it in the Prequels and no-one else hears.
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Apr 20th, 2001 08:19 PM |
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Darth Pants
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I think Vader's geekish standing on Ben's cloak to check he wasn't hiding underneath suggests that was the first time it happened. Since he'll be doing a lot of the Jedi killing (bet you a tenner he kills Mace (we didn't shake on it)), I don't think many major Jedi will vanish like that.
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Apr 20th, 2001 08:51 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Indeed. As I say, I think NONE of them do it. Obi-Wan is probably the first, and this is directly linked to the ghost form, and hence Anakin had to do it as well.
How Anakin did it is unknown, though I think the MCs have an input in it all.
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