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Vader's injuries

we don't know "for sure" how how vader will exactly get all of his injuries

but i found some information

what do you guys think about this? :



Origin of the injuries.
Little is known about the origin of Lord Vader's infirmities. What seems certain is that they result from grave injuries suffered during his career as Jedi Knight and Sith Lord, between the Battles of Geonosis and Yavin. The damage was inflicted in at least two separate incidents, beginning with the loss of 3/4 of his right arm in combat with Count Dooku. According to chronological information given by George Lucas in official interviews, Vader was only aged in his mid forties when he died aboard the Death Star II; his health problems do not result from old age.

In an interview in Starlog in 1980, Mark Hamill recounts a background sketch which he had been told:

"I remember very early on asking who my parents were and being told that my father and Obi Wan met Vader on the edge of a volcano and they had a duel. My father and Darth Vader fell into the crater and my father was instantly killed. Vader crawled out horribly scarred, and at that point the Emperor landed and Obi Wan ran into the forest, never to be seen again."
This quote is not canonical, but it probably includes some elements of what Lucas considered to be the genuine history at that time. In STAR WARS: The Annotated Screenplays, Lucas reveals that he did hold a lava theory "at one point" but he gives no indication whether it is in the present version of the saga. The story may have changed since then, or important details may have been deliberately distorted or kept from Hamill. At least one major change has been made: Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are now identified as the same man. (The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay tells an alternative story, indicating that Vader fell into a nuclear reactor shaft rather than lava. In this case, his infirmities may have something to do with mutation, radiation sickness and extensive cancer.) The Emperor's supposed involvement is interesting, as is the implication that Vader emerged from the lava under his own strength.

Three years later, aspects of the tale of the molten pit resurfaced in a more official form. In the novelisation of Return of the Jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi told Luke Skywalker:

" We fought ... your father fell into a molten pit. When your father clawed his way out of that fiery pool, the change had been burned into him forever --- he was Darth Vader, without a trace of Anakin Skywalker. Irredeemably dark. Scarred. Kept alive only by machinery and his own black will ... "
Later, when Vader lay dying he recalled those painful events:

These were memories he wanted none of, not now. Memories of molten lava, crawling up his back ... no.
This boy had pulled him from that pit --- here, now, with this act. This boy was good.
These quotations are evocative but they don't give us any absolute certainties. Very little of what Kenobi says can be taken literally; he seems to have a very cynical and deceptively figurative attitude towards truth. Even the latter passage, taken directly from Vader's thoughts, is very strong on symbolism but poor on substance and detail. It is likely that the true events surrounding the infliction of Vader's injuries had twists, complexities and implications which have not yet been explored. We would be wise to expect some surprises in what ought to be the climax to Episode III.

It is also possible that the movies will leave some or all of his injuries unexplained. Vader may have experienced mishaps between the films; it is possible that some of his spinal damage resulted from an accidental fall on Mimban [in Splinter of the Mind's Eye], (although the book does not indicate whether or not the fall was injurious).

Nonetheless, if the passages from Return of the Jedi are taken literally, the worst of Vader's injuries result from serious burns inflicted when he fell into a molten pit of some kind, possibly containing lava rather than, for instance, molten metal or carbonite. The fact that he was able to "claw" his way out indicates that he was left with at least one marginally-functional arm. This may be inconsistent with the paralysis which must result from Vader's spinal injury,though for a man so strong in the Force, the exertion of raw willpower might temporarily overcome the physical handicap. In any case, we have no sure proof that the spinal damage coincided with the other injuries.

Reference to lava "crawling up his back" suggests that he might have fallen in an upright stance, and hints that the lower parts of his body might have been more extensively affected. Again, it is important to remember that we have no firm evidence for this.

According to Lucas in STAR WARS: The Annotated Screenplays, Vader is a "three-quarter mechanical man and one-quarter human", but he has not revealed how these proportions are distributed. The division may be sharp and stark, or the cybernetics might intertwine and insinuate throughout the remaining living tissues. The remainder of this web page will examine the incontrovertible observable specifics of Lord Vader's lasting infirmities during his quest for his long-lost son, the four years leading up to his redemption and heroic death




Head & Face
In The Empire Strikes Back audiences and Admiral Piett gained a glimpse of the back of Vader's head in the moments between the opening of his life-sustaining meditation pod and the completion of Vader's automatic re-masking. At the end of Return of the Jedi Vader was unmasked for the last time: without the aid of his specialised life-support equipment. After uttering a few words to his son, he lost consciousness and perished.

Note the very large scar which runs from the top of his head down to the base of his neck, and the similar scar which stretches from his left cheek around past his left ear. This suggests that Vader sustained very serious lacerations or burns to the head at some time in the past. It is not clear whether this scarring must be due to the same event as whatever damaged his breathing ability. When the opportunity arises, I shall seek further medical opinion about whether there is damage to the skull which might correlate with the scars. At the moment I cannot conclude whether the scars are superficial or whether they could indicate places where Vader's head was once actually crushed or smashed open. Alternatively, some of the markings may be operation scars left by the medical efforts that preserved his life, possibly connected with the skull deformation.

Note that Vader has eyebrows. He therefore is not totally or congenitally bald. His scalp may have been deliberately depilated for convenience. (Head hair could be an uncomfortable nuisance to a man who wears a helmet continually.) Otherwise, if the "molten pit" story is correct, the brows were not as severely burned as most of the head. However the amount of unscathed skin on Lord Vader's face, including sensitive parts like the eyes and lips, suggests that his head probably did not suffer prolonged and extensive contact with a "molten" substance.

In public, Lord Vader always covers his eyes with the dark lenses of this mask. Vader's use of a hyperbaric meditation pod suggests that he needs a completely enclosed mask to maintain a high-pressure environment, although temperature control and protection from potential infection may also be important if his body's natural immune system and/or thermostasis are weak. These reasons would require enclosure of his eyes, but the use of dark eye covering, rather than a transparent mask, may be chosen for the sake of concealment or morbid decoration. or it may serve a more practical function as well. Alternatively, the dark covering may be practical too: perhaps the mask is designed to compensate for a visual handicap or to protect a sensitivity against normal light levels. The Return of the Jedi novel refers to visual enhancement devices within the mask, meaning the sights that Vader sees are actually on an internal viewscreen. The mask lenses may be nothing more than photoreceptors, without actually being transparent. The visual equipment of Lord Vader's mask cannot be completely opaque, however, because at several moments in A New Hope, his eyes can be dimly seen through the mask when it is illuminated in a particular way.


A. Vader in Health
Prior to the filming of Episode II there was enormous popular discussion about the representation of Anakin Skywalker as a healthy adult prior to his fall. The identification of potential actors was a matter of intense speculation, and the panic and excitement in some fan communities could be described as hysterical. The situation was exacerbated by provocative statements attributed to controversial contenders, and by the innately self-referential interaction between sensationalist media reporting and Internet-based fan rumours.

Therefore it is beneficial to review the objective evidence concerning Anakin's adult but uninjured condition.

to be continued.....


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Facts:


Anakin Skywalker had the torso of an exceptionally tall man. When he was penetrated by lightning in ROTJ we saw that his torso is essentially original and sized in proportion to his armour.

As Darth Vader he was riddled with prosthetics, but his body was in excellent proportion. His limbs were not out of scale with his head and torso.

When Anakin reappeared in spirit form in ROTJ he towered over Obi-Wan Kenobi. His spirit manifestation was free of cybernetics and presumably reflects the natural or potential condition that his body should have been in, as a man aged in his forties.

The ROTJ novel describes the pre-fall Anakin as "striking, and grand, with a wry tilt to his brow that hinted of invincibility and took in all life with a wink."

The representation of the adult Anakin Skywalker as a tall man is affirmed throughout many fields of licensed products: the action figure of his spirit form; the Japanese and English comic versions of TESB and ROTJ; his apparition in The Truce at Bakura novel.

In his late teen years, Anakin exceeded his master's height [Attack of the Clones] but was still growing
Conclusions:


Anakin Skywalker, as an unharmed adult and by his natural genetic potential, was an exceptionally tall man.

He did not undergo any cosmetic "limb extension."

He needn't have been unusually muscular at any particular age. His apparent muscularity as Lord Vader might be the result of exercise and conditioning occurring after his downfall




i find this very interesting.what do you guys think??


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there's a lot more if u want

just ask


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What we know from THE FILMS is that Vader uses a lot of mechanichal parts to function.
Obi Wans word in ROTJ confirms this with "He is more machine now than man twwisted and evil".
Anakin/Vader was a large man that suffered some bad ass injuries, but this is all we actually know. Nothing more nothing less.

The rest of it is mere EU borderlining speculations and shouldnt be regarded at all.


So if this topic drifts more into EU it will be moved to the EU section

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i agree with finti...vader gets a lot of injuries. how, we wont know until summer 2005.


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Yes, I ditto that comment.


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they're just ideas man

of course we're not gonna know until 2005,thats why i posted this.to give us stuff to think about

there's A LOT of actual facts finti

the rest is just possibilities and the guy just gets really in depth


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there are no facts at all but those shown in the films.

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what about the discussions they have in sw insider?


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that's what i meant

what's wrong with speculation?

that's all we have for now


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good point. continue.


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Speculation is what you and the rest of us can come up with not what others wrote on the matter a long time ago....(in a galaxy far far away......ok couldnt resist).
Cause all that stuff cant be regarded at all, saw an interview with GL in a programm called the man behind the Myth. Even GL said that he didnt know how badly injuries Vader actually has and if he didnt know then well.....................

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i guess we will have to use our imagination...


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For now, yes.


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damn you, mr. lucas.


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Speculation is what you and the rest of us can come up with not what others wrote on the matter a long time ago

actually,it's pretty recent


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Cause all that stuff cant be regarded at all

why not?

you don't know if they're right or not


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No they speculate into things written long ago, so the discussion on it is reason, the background for the speculations aint. Look at my post where I mention the GL interview guess that says it all

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post the interview

i wanna read it myself


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No they speculate into things written long ago


he's just gets in depth

i see nothing wrong with that

it's not right or wrong at his moment


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