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dark lord
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traitor
i dont think there is a traitor on the jc but there is defenetly a traitor who is something to do with padme, how else did the sith find them on tatooine someone replied to holo transmission from sio bibble
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:04 AM |
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sand person no. 10
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its mace, got to be, the "choices" film confirmed it for me. no one else just mace.
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:20 AM |
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Ushgarak
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There is no given explanation as to how Maul found the ship; it is an anomaly in TPM. But if there was a traitor on board the Trade Fedartion would have found them; Sidious would not have had to intervene.
That line in 'Choices' is certainly interesting... but I am hesitant to say anything definitive yet.
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:31 AM |
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sand person no. 10
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i'm still convinced maul "found" them by sensing padme/jedi.
however mace i think tries to side with dooku or palpatine too beat them and then betrays the jedi because of palpatine's mind games.
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:37 AM |
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sand person no. 10
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he appears arrogant in the trailer. sure sign of a traitor.
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:42 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Sorry, SP, but it's still not credible that Maul can simply sense anyone he wants from any distance, anywhere in the galaxy. Nor would they have referred to this as a 'trace'.
And if Mace IS the traitor, he's acting weirdly in AOTC, because he appears to be fighting for the Jedi cause very hard; causing the bad guys no end of problems. I'd have thought if he was even thinking about jumping ship, he would be more cautious.
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Nov 13th, 2001 12:45 AM |
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sand person no. 10
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how's mace fighting for the jedi (have you seen the film????). what poblems does mace cause for the bad guy's (including any scriptment details.)?
vader sensed rebels/luke on hoth, maul sensed the jedi on tatooine. easy!!!
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:10 AM |
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Ushgarak
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We;ve already been through this. Vader did NOT sense Luke from that distance, If he could have done, he wouln;t have needed the bloody probes, would he? He just knew that was what they were looking for in the same way Needa did.
Sorry, SP, but virtually no-one credibly believes such ridiculous over-powered abilities from these people.
Mace is the leader of the Jedi task force sent to the final battle in AOTC, according to the scriptment, which is ghetting harder and harder to contradict. To look at his actions in that makes it VERY hard for him to be a credible traitor. As far as we know.
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:19 AM |
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Tex
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I think Padme is the traitor!
I have no idea why, it just seems scandalous!!!!
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:28 AM |
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sand person no. 10
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if mace is leader of the jedi task force, then he would be in a perfect position to eventually betray the jedi. would he not?
if it's not mace then who. i've heard yoda but i find that hard to believe.
was not vader hard to believe as the good guy of sw's, but he is.
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:29 AM |
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Tex
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The most shocking thing that could ever happen in AOTC that would mirror the shock of the I am your father bit in ESB, is if Yoda is infact the traitor. That would be so kewl!
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:32 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Mace leading the task force would NOT put him in an ideal position to betray anyone because the situation is all over by the end of the film. Thre fact is he leads a mission to try and wipe out the bad guys you suspect he will betray himself to makes the whole thing look rather unliekly. Not impossible, but unlikely.
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:36 AM |
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Tex
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Yup, that's why it's Yoda. We assume that Yoda is good beacuse he is so in Ep's 4,5,6 but how do we know that he wasn't a bad guy in 1,2 and then has a change of heart in Ep 3? I think it would make sense. No one would ever suspect Yoda.
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:40 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Unfortunately, that would break the flow of the narrative too much, there would not apear to be anything in it for him, and Yoda is held up as a paragon of wisdom and virtue; GL is even known as 'Yoda' on the claipper boards during filming. I very much doubt GL would make Yoda the traitor, if any.
Yoda also, according to the scriptment, spends far too much time opposing the bad guys in II to be a potential traitor.
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Nov 13th, 2001 01:55 AM |
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peluffo
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AFAIK there is no traitor, just ONE of the JC who knows something about the Sith (and who speaks about "the mistery of the Sith" is Mace Window (Gates related  )
Shmi a Sith?????? Yeah, right!!!!!!!
I always had doubts about a WOMAN who can deliver a Cool guy such as Vader!!!!!!
Maybe Yoda is not detected as a Light source during the OT because he is very near (and maybe hidden by it) the Dark Cave
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Nov 13th, 2001 02:39 AM |
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peluffo
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AFAIK there is no traitor, just ONE of the JC who knows something about the Sith (and who speaks about "the mistery of the Sith" is Mace Window (Gates related )
Shmi a Sith?????? Yeah, right!!!!!!!
I always had doubts about a WOMAN who can deliver a Cool guy such as Vader!!!!!!
Maybe Yoda is not detected as a Light source during the OT because he is very near (and maybe hidden by it) the Dark Cave
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Nov 13th, 2001 02:52 AM |
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KJ
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It's Mace!!! That's if there is a traitor.
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Nov 13th, 2001 04:54 PM |
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yerssot
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Heck, doesn't ANYONE listen to me? (don't answer that!)
THERE IS NO TRAITOR!
There is one that KNOWS that the Sith are returning, it's not that he walks to Palpatine and says:
"Well, Darthie, we are going to Tatooine now, be sure to send someone!"
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Nov 13th, 2001 05:43 PM |
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dark lord
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Registered: Nov 2001
Location: uk
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the jedi who knows that the sith are about to rise up is yoda he is the only one on the jc who objected to anikain being trainend he is the only one who sees the truth about him, i still cant see a jedi being the traitor as no else than the people on padmes ship ni ep1 knew they they were on the planet, there is no way that the sith could sense them at that distance, if they could then how come the jedi can't sense the sith and for gods sake there on the same planet, the traitor is one of padme handmaidens no jedi would betry the order, [i hope not or what i just said is gonna make me look like a fool]
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Nov 13th, 2001 06:23 PM |
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yerssot
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well, yoda has the highest MC count (not counting anakin now) so he is very good with the force, so that was normal for him to know that, just sense fear...
all those things about padmes ship again... nobody knows about that, but Maul said: if the TRACE was correct...
and mind you that the both sides on Coruscant are very good at the Force so they could hide easily I guess.
[i hope not or what i just said is gonna make me look like a fool]
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