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bigsef2
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"i dont want to lose you..."
in ESB, luke has a vision of han and leia in trouble. so he decides to leave his training and go off to confront a powerful sith lord in an effort to save them. obi-wan tells luke: "i dont want to lose you the same way i lost your vader" or something along those lines. luke asks: "what? am i just supposed to let them die?" and yoda says if he VALUES WHAT THEY FIGHT FOR, then yes.
based on this, i think its very possible that anakins final turn to the dark side happens when he disobeys the council-and obi-wan-to try to save a loved one. who would this person be? i dont think it takes a rocket scientist to figure it would be padme. i beleive in Episode III, dooku will capture padme as shes fighting against his army and anakin will turn to the dark side when he tries to free padme from dooku. anakin will free her, but at the cost of turning to the dark side. a bittersweet ending to episode III. thoughts?
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ToMacco
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Hmm. . .
I think what Obi-wan meant was that he didn't want Luke to go off when he wasn't ready. It's obvious that Anakin thinks he is a very powerful Jedi (from the knowledge we've gained from the trailers). So Ani probably went off to face danger when he hadn't 'turned full circle', so to speak.
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Dec 12th, 2001 06:15 AM |
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yerssot
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well, sounds good, but like Ush here, I have to say: Anakin was tricked, saving a lost one is not being tricked, or there are things to it that we haven't discussed here
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Dec 12th, 2001 11:49 AM |
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bigsef2
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but the actual leaving obiwan to save padme isnt want turns him to the dark side. i beleive at some point while hes there sidious manages to trick him. possibly saying the jedi are working with dooku or something to get padme. i think the death of his mother must tie into his being tricked somehow.
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Dec 12th, 2001 01:28 PM |
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yerssot
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on the official website it said that Anakin didn't like the slow pace of OB1's teaching... just a point...
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Dec 12th, 2001 02:13 PM |
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ToMacco
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Yeah, I don't think that he will be tricked. I think Sidious is going to convince Anakin that he is much more powerful than he thinks, and that Obi-wan is holding him back.
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Dec 12th, 2001 05:16 PM |
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Ushgarak
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The comment is that he didn;t want to lose Luke the same way he lost Vader.
This is complimented by Yoda's line, when he says that if Luke suns off to face the EMperor before he is ready he will follow the fate of his father.
These two comments always made it look like, to me, that an over-confident Anakin was actually on a mission to stop Palpatine when he fell.
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Dec 12th, 2001 06:27 PM |
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bigsef2
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what could better make anakin change his mind about defeating palpatine than finding out that palpys his dad! sorry, i couldnt resist. 
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Dec 12th, 2001 06:40 PM |
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queeq
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Bigsef likes putting his membership of this board on the line. 
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Dec 12th, 2001 08:08 PM |
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Ushgarak
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One assumes this is where Palpatine's deceitful ways come into it... but I think we can all make a hoit bet that defeating Dooku is in there somewhere, as his confrontation with Palpatine echo's Luke's confrontation in ROTJ.
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Dec 12th, 2001 09:00 PM |
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queeq
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Sounds logical to me.
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Dec 12th, 2001 09:04 PM |
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yerssot
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guess it's correct, but I hope there will be a big surprise to come!
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Dec 12th, 2001 09:35 PM |
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bigsef2
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i think there will also be a parallel drawn between darth vader and lukes in ESB. especially the whole, "together we can rule the galaxy bit." except anakin accepts.
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Dec 12th, 2001 09:38 PM |
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yerssot
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I hate it when people suggest that (and I hate it that it's true...)
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Dec 12th, 2001 09:56 PM |
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bigsef2
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so you feel GL is running out of ideas, or you just dont like TOO MANY parallels b/w the trilogies?
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Dec 12th, 2001 10:00 PM |
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yerssot
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why must their be parallels??
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Dec 12th, 2001 10:22 PM |
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Ushgarak
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GL wants them to 'rhyme'.
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Dec 12th, 2001 10:31 PM |
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yerssot
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wich I find stupid!
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Dec 13th, 2001 10:48 AM |
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mah
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why?
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Dec 13th, 2001 11:29 AM |
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yerssot
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then it's like Luke is doing exact the same as Anakin, no surprise, nothing that will be enjoyable...
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