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We need a pre-prequel movie!
I've been reading all the spoilers I can, and I've even read the novelization of AOTC. But still, I have no idea where Darth Sideous originated, where he learned so much about the force, and how he hides himself from the Jedi. Lucas NEVER explains this in Episodes I and II, and I doubt he will in III. So basically, although the prequels were supposed to clear up the Star Wars universe for us, I feel even more confused after having seen them.
We know that Palpatine is from Naboo, and he was a Senator there, and probably became a Senator via slick, evil ways, but how the HELL did he learn so much about the force? Is he self taught? If so then that would be a real monkey wrench in the OT, after all, if Luke could have taught himself about the force, he wouldn't have had to put up with Dagobah and Yoda. He could have just read a few "The Force for Dummies" books and gone to whup Vader's ass.
So what gives? Don't we ever learn anything about Palpatine's past, whether he has children, etc? What a great plot twist it would be if it turns out Palpatine knocked up Schmi and is actually Anakin's father! It makes more sense than an immaculate conception.
It's just so tragic that Lucas made Episode I so horribly bad, and he didn't even bother to give us a decent background on what is happening in the Star Wars Universe. He's washed up and old, no good for anything...thank the SITH LORD that Lucas got some help with AOTC's script, because without it this movie would be as bad or even worse than TPM.
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Well, I certainly do not agree that GL is in any way washed up. I liked TPM.
But you must remember that it was not the job of the PT to explain absolutely everything in the Star Wars universe! That would just be silly. The important things are that it tells the earlystories of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Amidala, and the fall of the Republic. Everything else is just extra. Would it REALLY make a difference if we knew how Palpatine became a Sith? It's interesting, yes, but entirely non-essential.
And your immaculate conception thing is way off base, as so many have been before. It's a typical greco-roman myth thing, not some weird Christian allegory.
Having Palpatine being Anakin's father would be a terrible plot, as far as I am concerned, and a dreadful piece of repetition.
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how did he introduce us with the starwars universe at the first place? with a very good interesting action movie called starwars. he didnīt make it boring. many sw fans think tpm its boring. (not me)
i belive he couldīve done a better job in TPM. but i donīt complain.
He had to make sure everyone knew this wasn't going to be the same as A New Hope. That is why he had to introduce us to these new characters. He didn't want people going in there thinking that Hamill, Ford, or Fisher were going to be there.
There was peace in the galaxy at the time of TPM. That was never seen in another SW movie. He had to show the audience how good the galaxy used to be. That way we know what the Rebels are fighting for in the OT.
And Fernando, you couldn't have written a better TPM.
Registered: Nov 2001
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It's your right to like whatever you want.
It seems essential to me, since he is behind EVERYTHING that happens in teh entire trilogy! Ok, so we learn that Sideous turned Anakin to the Dark Side, but if we don't know where Sideous originated, then we STILL don't really know how Anakin became a Lord of the Sith. TPM explained the wrong things....the Force didn't need explaining with midichlorians, for sure.
No, it's a reference to Jesus, and you are off base. It's a very weak plot device and totally unoriginal.
You need to learn about this thing called sarcasm. Of course it would be a dumb plot...but no dumber than TPM.
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It is NOT a Jesus reference. I have no idea why you think that. I am not off-base at all; I am basing what I say on what the people behind the films have said.
And since when did Star Wars films have tro be original to be good, hmm? The whole POINT of ANH was that it was the OLDEST story there was.
And Sidious being Anakin;s father would be far, far, far weaker than TPM.
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We never had to do that with any other Star Wars movie. If a movie so bad that it must be "left alone" until a sequel comes out to make more money, that's a very damning condemnation of the movie.
I'll say it again, there is no reason why TPM couldn't have set up the OT while being a great movie at the same time. These are not exclusive properties of a movie. In fact most of the time sequels are made because the first movie was so great, not because the first movie sucked and the director wants another chance to make it right.
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TPM didn't seem very peaceful to me. I saw war on a planetary scale, an Evil Sith Lord taking control of the galactic senate, and a great Jedi Master die. If this is your definition of peace, I'd hate to see what you call war.
And no, we don't need any explaining about what the rebels were fighting in the OT. It is self evident that a dictatorship is evil and wrong, we don't need it explained to us.
You attempts at defending TPM are weak. Why do you make apologies for such a bad movie? Did Lucas pay YOU to see the film? I didn't think so...
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Nobody ever thought to tell such a story in the way that Lucas did with ANH. He brought together elements from different generes that don't normally fit together.
And you cannot sense sarcasm when it stares you in the face.
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I certainly can. Your pitifiully weak attempt at it did not register. But in any case, when you said it was "no dumber than TPM", that was CERTAINLY not sarcasm, and I refuted it.
But if you can call ANH original just because of the cultural blending, then SO is TPM. So it uses a Chosen One plot. So what? Like I say, ANH is for more derivative, and is all tbe better for it.
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