He attained master after Anakin became a Knight. Atleast, that's how it's supposed to go. But that kinda ranking is EU, and even him attaining council membership is EU to some people....hmm....so how did he become part of the council if only the movies count..And no I ain't directing this at anomoly. He's (luckily) cool with EU.
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I agree with Tulak Hord. Obi Wan became a Jedi Master when Anakin became a Jedi Knight. In EpIII everyone certainly refers to him as Master Kenobi.
"Knights" I think is the collective noun for a group of Jedi. Probably the safest term as a group of Jedi could contain one Master, two Knights and three Padawans so you are not going to put them all under the umbrella of "Masters".
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Exactly. Obi was a master in ROTS, thats obvious, and there's no reason to suspect that he was magicly demoted even though he lived all by himself out iin Tatoonie.
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obi's master, even if you dont think he was promoted to master in between ep 2 and ep 3, anakin says "im the only one on the council not made master. or something to thast effect. and obis on the council making him a master. obviously.
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I know he was a Jedi Master in Episode III. Yoda said he failed to kill Sidious so he went into Exile. Obi Wan was a very smart Fighter in Episode III but he did not kill Anakin so he could have been a Failed Jedi Master.
There is no title of "Failed Jedi master" While Obi Wan Kenobi certainly may have considered himself a failure as a teacher and thus unworthy of being called a master, that would be his own personal feelings. I doubt with everythign else going on that Yoda would take the time to formally demote him. Therefore, he is still a Jedi master.
As to the site, what next? are people here going to be quoting Supershadow's midichlorian levels?
There's a few syllogisms you have to follow to figure this out:
Obi-Wan was a JEDI KNIGHT in AOTC.
Obi-Wan was a COUNCIL MEMBER in ROTS
Anakin Skywalker mentions he's the only one on the council that is NOT A MASTER.
There is a fair amount of time that elapses between AOTC and ROTS.
THEREFORE, Obi-Wan became a Jedi Master between AOTC and ROTS.
It's not "non-canon" that he became a Jedi Master, it's you just refusing to use your head. It has no implications on EU being canon or not, so your snipes were poorly aimed.
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Canon. Not cannon. Cannons kill people. Canon just drives EU fanboys insane. Don't bring up another silly 'If it doesn't blah blah blah' argument in here.
Obi-Wan was a Master before ROTS, that's all that matters.
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The confusion here is that any Knight with a Padawan is known as the 'Master' of that Padawan. But this is distinct from the RANK of Master- which, odd as it may seem, and as much as everyone assumed it was so, we were not actually told in the films was a rank you could be so awarded until ROTS.
So Obi-Wan becomes Anakin's Master VERY early, but doesn't become a Jedi Master until sometime between AOTC and ROTS. He never loses tha rank but it does become somewhat irrelevant.
So, all seems sorted now.
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Is it? Seems to me you either become Master when you take on a Padawan or when you get the titler of Master. In that case Mastership means you are capable of taking on a Padawan.
obiwan was a padawan when he defeated maul,
and moments later, he is anakin's master.
an instant leap from padawan to jedi master is ludicrous.
so its clear that the term 'master' has multiple meanings
in the jedi order.
i guess since there is no concrete proof in the script,
the technicallities can be endlessly argued, but with the
use of common sense, this issue is dead.
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