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Sidious knew

Sidious knew that Anakin was coming during his duel with Mace, because he had the chance to kill him but he knew that Anakin might not be turned if he did, so he had to keep him alive, this is the only explanation I can think of, he also had him like that for a few seconds, enough time to kill him, if there are any others, please post. Oh, for those who are not sure what scene, here it is:

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He must've known, he WAS telepathecally talking to Anakin, almost goading him into coming. Yet also, he was taking an AWFUL risk in hoping that Anakin would stop Mace in time, or at all.


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MAce was a wuss... all that TALK about killing Palpy and not striking...


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In the inner recesses of the Chancellor's private office, the Jedi confronted the Chancellor. Palpatine produced a lightsaber hidden in his sleeve and let the dark side of the Force flow through him. It granted him inhuman dexterity and speed, agility enough to quickly kill three Jedi Masters and force the mighty Mace Windu back. The two dueled, transforming the office of politics into an arena of lightsaber combat. Windu overpowered Palpatine the instant Anakin Skywalker came running into the offices. From Palpatine's thing on the Official Star Wars website

The Jedi barged into Palpatine's most private offices. Mace attempted to arrest the Chancellor, but Palpatine sprang into action. Brandishing a lightsaber, Palpatine dropped the guise of harmless politician and emerged as deadly Sith Lord. Sidious quickly killed Tiin, Kolar and Fisto and forced Windu back into the main office chamber. Just then, Anakin Skywalker arrived, disobeying Windu's direct order. That on Mace's

Anakin reported the Chancellor to Mace Windu, earning the Jedi Master's trust. Windu brought a team of capable Jedi warriors to arrest the Chancellor, but he refused to let Anakin come along. Left alone to stew in his tempestuous thoughts, Anakin realized that Palpatine could be his only chance at saving Padmé. He rushed to the Chancellor's office, to discover that Mace Windu was about to kill the Sith Lord. That on Anakin

None of them say that he knew Anakin was coming. It's possible that he might have, but so far we have nothing substantial to base it on


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He must've known, he WAS telepathecally talking to Anakin, almost goading him into coming. Yet also, he was taking an AWFUL risk in hoping that Anakin would stop Mace in time, or at all.


I doubt that. Its much more logical that Palps thought he'd kill Mace with Anakin back at the temple, then he'd show Anakin a holo of it or something later and since the Jedi were clearly having moral issues, Anakin would join the Chancellor.


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In the inner recesses of the Chancellor's private office, the Jedi confronted the Chancellor. Palpatine produced a lightsaber hidden in his sleeve and let the dark side of the Force flow through him. It granted him inhuman dexterity and speed, agility enough to quickly kill three Jedi Masters and force the mighty Mace Windu back. The two dueled, transforming the office of politics into an arena of lightsaber combat. Windu overpowered Palpatine the instant Anakin Skywalker came running into the offices. From Palpatine's thing on the Official Star Wars website

The Jedi barged into Palpatine's most private offices. Mace attempted to arrest the Chancellor, but Palpatine sprang into action. Brandishing a lightsaber, Palpatine dropped the guise of harmless politician and emerged as deadly Sith Lord. Sidious quickly killed Tiin, Kolar and Fisto and forced Windu back into the main office chamber. Just then, Anakin Skywalker arrived, disobeying Windu's direct order. That on Mace's

Anakin reported the Chancellor to Mace Windu, earning the Jedi Master's trust. Windu brought a team of capable Jedi warriors to arrest the Chancellor, but he refused to let Anakin come along. Left alone to stew in his tempestuous thoughts, Anakin realized that Palpatine could be his only chance at saving Padmé. He rushed to the Chancellor's office, to discover that Mace Windu was about to kill the Sith Lord. That on Anakin

None of them say that he knew Anakin was coming. It's possible that he might have, but so far we have nothing substantial to base it on


If PalpSidious could sense that Anakin was in danger even though he was on another planet, then he could sense him leaving the Jedi Temple to come to his aid at the same time that Palps is fighting the Mace Windu posse.

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Originally posted by queeq
MAce was a wuss... all that TALK about killing Palpy and not striking...


well... yeaaaahhhhhh... pretty much.


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That is about the end of it... hehehehe


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This is it.

waits....


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Maybe Mace was too busy gloating over his victory....


....or contemplating how he was going to reconcile random assassination with Republic law.


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Sure...


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I doubt it. I think Mace had Sidious defeated. I doubt Sid would have risked that much. If Anakin hadn't stopped Mace he would have been killed.


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Or he could have just rolled out of the way.


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Yea Lucas said in the commentary that the way they originally shot it was that Anakin was already on the darkside (happening when Palps revealed himself to Anakin) and that Anakin had to help Sidious beat Mace. Now i know that since thats not whats shown, it might not matter, but i doubt that Lucas changed his position on Mace really beating Sidious. He was already on his ass as Anakin walked in. And if he was playing on a chance that Anakin would help him, he sure did take a big one letting his saber fall out of the window and all. I think Mace beat him fair and square, Anakin just helped sway the final outcome. Besides, that first picture in this thread makes it look like Sidious was holding MAce at saber point and he couldn't do anything...when we know that was a swing that Mace dodged. Also it was Mace holding a saber to Sidious face and holding him in a submissive position.


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I think it would have been cooler (and more meaningful) to see Mace fight Anakin.


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Or he could have just rolled out of the way.


laughing out loud


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I doubt that. Its much more logical that Palps thought he'd kill Mace with Anakin back at the temple, then he'd show Anakin a holo of it or something later and since the Jedi were clearly having moral issues, Anakin would join the Chancellor.


Force users have been shown to be able to telepathically communicate with each other, as well as sense presences and feelings. Consider that Yoda was able to feel Anakin's anger at the Tusken Raiders, despite half way across the galaxy.

Given that we know, very well, that Palpatine is the granddaddy of manipulators, it wouldn't be difficult for him to manipulate Anakin or Mace again (face it, guys, he had both of them duped for decades).

And, yes, the scene where Anakin is in near tears in the Council chamber, waiting for Mace to return, depicts a voice over from Palpatine that is new dialogue.

It's highly possible that he wanted to drag Anakin back to his office, and have Anakin defend Palpatine from Mace (thus sealing his allegiance to Palpatine - or at least cutting the Jedi off from Anakin, which would likely happen if Anakin attacked their senior councilmember).

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Originally posted by Escape81

It's highly possible that he wanted to drag Anakin back to his office, and have Anakin defend Palpatine from Mace (thus sealing his allegiance to Palpatine - or at least cutting the Jedi off from Anakin, which would likely happen if Anakin attacked their senior councilmember).


That might make sense because he said that Mace was there sooner than expected. whether he actually meant that according to Grievous's death or that he was expecting Anakin first, I am not sure. But that sounds good Escape.


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Force users have been shown to be able to telepathically communicate with each other, as well as sense presences and feelings. Consider that Yoda was able to feel Anakin's anger at the Tusken Raiders, despite half way across the galaxy.


Except that was not communication, that was reverberations in the force. The force was choosing Anakin. A better example would be Luke and Leia after luke gets shafted on Bespin.

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Given that we know, very well, that Palpatine is the granddaddy of manipulators, it wouldn't be difficult for him to manipulate Anakin or Mace again (face it, guys, he had both of them duped for decades).

So, this could be used to support any of these arguements.

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And, yes, the scene where Anakin is in near tears in the Council chamber, waiting for Mace to return, depicts a voice over from Palpatine that is new dialogue.

I actually hate that part, as with the Tusken echo on the Hand. Its him remembering it, not Palpsy speaking to him.

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It's highly possible that he wanted to drag Anakin back to his office, and have Anakin defend Palpatine from Mace (thus sealing his allegiance to Palpatine - or at least cutting the Jedi off from Anakin, which would likely happen if Anakin attacked their senior councilmember).

But really, why risk damaged goods? It would have been much easier to do it many other ways.


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If PalpSidious could sense that Anakin was in danger even though he was on another planet, then he could sense him leaving the Jedi Temple to come to his aid at the same time that Palps is fighting the Mace Windu posse.


Anakin and Palpatine were bound by the Force. Also, without the Jedi around he probably had a clearer view of the Force. Anakin also may have sent out a sort of distress signal.


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