I just realised the relevance of this! A mass murderer, lets use Hitler (being I am really getting into World War 2 now) as an example. By performing the Holocaust, he thought he was doing the world a favour, thus being the good guy, while the majority of the world thought he was doing wrong and the Allies were the good guys. Sidious thought that destroying the Republic and the Jedi was him being the good guy! And that the Sith were good! While the Jedi thought the complete opposite! So how do we decide who is "good" and who is truly "bad"?
Good isn't a point of view..I hope you're not basing your philosophical ideals off a movie...
There was nothing "good" about Hitler...whether he thought he was doing good, or whether you're giving him the benefit of the doubt in not being able to prove he was actually evil, at the end of the day the guy would gas people and stick people in ovens...he was sub-human.
And even in Star Wars, Palps wasn't the kind of Dooku-esque character that was stuck on some moral divide...he was just plain evil and he knew it.
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Aye, but to him evil WAS good.
It was his nature, what he liked, so to him it was good.
GL makes this clear in plenty of dvd extras and stuff, that even evil people believe what they are doing is good... even though it's not.
He's talking about Anakin, but still.
I think Palps honestly thought that things would be better if he just wiped the slate clean of Jedi, senators, trade federation, etc.....
And started a strict, regulated, and controlled system of government.
See Anakin's EPII dialogue: "The politicians should discuss the problem, agree what's in the best interest of all the people, and then do it." And Padme responds: "That's what we do. The trouble is that people don't always agree." To which Anakin makes the very keen observation: "Well then they should be made to."
I think Palps thought very much along the same lines.
And it meant that his religious sect would get to destroy the rival religious sect in the process.
Good is a point of view, I'm sure Hitler thought he was doing good and so did some of the people. The Taliban think theyare probably doing good.
But lets face it the only true good is being completely nice and not killing anyone. the good use knowledge and defence, never attack.
no, its not a matter of sensativity or being offensive, we should speak frankly about what we wish.
what i meant before was, he's too much of an extreme and thus proves nothing.
the truth is that good/evil depend on one's point of view. in some cases,
what is evil is almost universally agreed upon (like hitler) , however
like i said its an extreme and only complicates the topic rather than proves anything.
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Alright, then Hitler is excluded. You made a good point with that.
But I still go with the fact that while we were young, our parents forced in a way, what is good and what is bad, if someone were raised the opposite way, thinking that what we thought was good was actually bad and vice versa, then he would think he was perfectly normal.
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Palpatine didn't think evil was a point of view, he just found that a very convenient argument to throw at Anakin (as it often is on philosophically soft people).
Palpatine is the pure and certain personification of "I'm evil and I love it."
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It's amazing how somewhow people are confusing "thinking that what you're doing is good" as being on par with actually "being good".
Palps wasn't good...that's why he's the "bad guy". And yes, Hitler wasn't good either. Why do you keep pulling out the "well, they thought they were doing good" card, as if that has any worth in the argument? What they did wasn't good!!!!
Good is not a point of view, fear does not necessarily lead to anger, and there IS a "try". It's just Star Wars people, it's not the final word!
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Apr 10th, 2007 08:51 PM
yeah i forget to finish the point sometimes 
