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Count Dooku's backstory? (from ep.II)
I was just wondering how much of Dooku's backstory was mentioned in ep.II. I was going to watch it on Spike again but I missed it. The reason I was wondering was because a friend of mine was telling me that he was lame because they didn't say where he came from or anything. If anyone remembers any specific scenes that'd be great.
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Apr 7th, 2008 12:00 AM
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Not much in the movie other than he was a former jedi(yoda's padawan and Qui-Gon's master) and a poilitical idealist but in the Revenge of the Sith novel it has an interesting passage prior to his death.
quote: This is Dooku, Darth Tyranus, Count of Serenno:
Once a great Jedi Master, now an even greater Lord of the Sith, Dooku is a dark colossus bestriding the galaxy. Nemesis of the corrupt Republic, oriflamme of the principled Confederacy of Independent Systems, he is the very personification of shock and awe.
He was one of the most respected and powerful Jedi in the Order's twenty-five-thousand-year history, yet at the age of seventy Dooku's principles would no longer allow him to serve a Republic in which political power was for sale to the highest bidder. He'd said farewell to his former Padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn, now a legendary Master in his own right; he'd said farewell to his close friends on the Jedi Council, Mace Windu and the ancient Master Yoda; he'd said farewell to the Jedi Order itself.
He is numbered among the Lost: the Jedi who renounced their fealty to the Order and resigned their commissions of Jedi Knighthood in service of ideals higher than even the Order itself professed. The Lost Twenty, as they have been known since Dooku joined their number, are remembered with both honor and regret among the Jedi; their images, sculpted from bronzium, stand enshrined in the Temple archives.
These bronzium images serve as melancholy reminders that some Jedi have needs the Order cannot satisfy.
Dooku had retired to his family estate, the planetary system of Serenno. Assuming his hereditary title as its Count made him one of the wealthiest beings in the galaxy. Amid the unabashed corruption endemic to the Republic, his immense wealth could have bought the allegiance of any given number of Senators; he could, perhaps, have bought control of the Republic itself.
But a man of such heritage, such principle, could never stoop to be lord of a garbage heap, chief of a horde of scavengers squabbling over scraps; the Republic, to him, was nothing more than this.
Instead, he used all the great power of his family fortune-and the vastly greater power of his unquestioned integrity-to begin the cleansing of the galaxy from the fester of this so-called democracy.
He is the icon of the Separatist movement, its public face. He is to the Confederacy of Independent Systems what Palpatine is to the Republic: the living symbol of the justice of its cause.
This is the public story.
This is the story that even Dooku, in his weaker moments, almost believes.
The truth is more complicated.
Dooku is ... different.
He doesn't remember quite when he discovered this; it may have been when he was a young Padawan, betrayed by another learner who had claimed to be his friend. Lorian Nod had said it to his face: "You don't know what friendship is."
And he didn't.
He had been angry, certainly; furious that his reputation had been put at risk. And he had been angry at himself, for his error in judgment: trusting as an ally one who was in fact an enemy. The most astonishing part of the whole affair had been that even after turning on him before the Jedi, the other boy had expected him to participate in a lie, in the name of their "friendship."
It had been all so preposterous that he hadn't known how to reply-In fact, he has never been entirely sure what beings mean when they speak of friendship. Love, hate, joy, anger-even when he can feel the energy of these emotions in others, they translate in his perception to other kinds of feelings. The kinds that make sense.
Jealousy he understands, and possessiveness: he is fierce when any being encroaches on what is rightfully his.
Intolerance, at the intractability of the universe, and at the undisciplined lives of its inhabitants: this is his normal state.
Spite is a recreation: he takes considerable pleasure from the suffering of his enemies.
Pride is a virtue in an aristocrat, and indignation his inalienable right: when any dare to impugn his integrity, his honor, or his rightful place atop the natural hierarchy of authority.
And moral outrage makes perfect sense to him: when the incorrigibly untidy affairs of ordinary beings refuse to conform to |the plainly obvious structure of How Society Ought To Be.
He is entirely incapable of caring what any given creature might feel for him. He cares only what that creature might do for him. Or to him.
Very possibly, he is what he is because other beings just aren't very . . . interesting.
Or even, in a sense, entirely real.
For Dooku, other beings are mostly abstractions, simple schematic sketches who fall into two essential categories. The first category is Assets: beings who can be used to serve his various interests. Such as-for most of his life, and to some extent even now-the Jedi, particularly Mace Windu and Yoda, both of whom had regarded him as their friend for so long that it had effectively blinded them to the truth of his activities. And of course-for now-the Trade Federation, and the InterGalactic
Banking Clan, the Techno Union, the Corporate Alliance, and the weapon lords of Geonosis. And even the common rabble of the galaxy, who exist largely to provide an audience of sufficient size to do justice to his grandeur.
The other category is Threats. In this second set, he numbers every sentient being he cannot include in the first.
There is no third category.
Someday there may be not even a second; being considered a Threat by Count Dooku is a death sentence. A death sentence he plans to pronounce, for example, on his current allies: the heads of the aforementioned Trade Federation, InterGalactic Banking Clan, Techno Union, and Corporate Alliance, and Geonosian weaponeers.
Treachery is the way of the Sith.
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Apr 7th, 2008 12:30 AM
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Thanks a lot Hunter.
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Apr 7th, 2008 03:27 AM
queeq
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Wow.. some research.
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Apr 7th, 2008 06:35 AM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by queeq
Wow.. some research.
Or copy and paste
Apr 7th, 2008 09:51 AM
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Hush.
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Apr 7th, 2008 08:56 PM
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Well, here is some more information about Count Dooku, before and after Episode II.
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May 12th, 2008 12:39 AM
Lord Knightfa11
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ha! wookiepedia....
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May 12th, 2008 12:52 AM
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Yes... I know.
May 12th, 2008 12:55 AM
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Lol. Raizen.
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May 12th, 2008 01:26 AM
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XD
May 12th, 2008 01:51 AM
queeq
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Smart
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May 12th, 2008 12:37 PM
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Still EU. Had to say it
May 13th, 2008 02:44 AM
queeq
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Of course.
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May 13th, 2008 09:20 AM
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the text makes it unclear to me if Dooku left BEFORE Quigon died or AFTER
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May 14th, 2008 12:14 PM
queeq
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Indeed.
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May 14th, 2008 12:50 PM
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One of the texts there says he left BEFORE and already had contact with Sidious... but what about the rule of two than?
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May 14th, 2008 06:12 PM
queeq
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Sounds like EU.
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May 14th, 2008 09:46 PM
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just say episode one when yoda says "always two there is" instead of "rule of two".
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May 15th, 2008 03:27 AM
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I meant Dooku's backstory
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