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Evil Windu
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Did Anakin erase Kamino from the archives?(Theory)
New Theory and Speculation..
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If there is a surprise in Episode III, how about this...
Anakin erased the records of Kamino from the Jedi archive.
To understand this idea, you must understand when the records wre most likely erased.
The records were erased after TPM. Why would Sidious be concerned with the record of Kamino prior to TPM? Up until the defeat of the TF in TPM, Sidious's plan was to use the might of the TF to force worlds to willingly give up power. I don't think he planned to create a clone army or anything along those lines, so there would be no need to remove Kamino from the records.
Second, you must understand why Dooku could not have been the one to erase the records.
TOS states that Dooku left the Order and disappeared for years and that he did not resurface until AOTC. How could Dooku have gotten back into the temple without anyone knowing it? Also, he could not have been Sidious's apprentice until after TPM when Maul was killed (two Sith rule), so how would he have known to erase the Kamino file even when he was in the Order?
Third, it would not make sense for the culprit to be some 3rd party such as Sifo-Dyas or another Jedi. (See Palpatine is a Clawdite.)
Erasing the files is a critical step in the process of creating the clone army and a key advancement of the plot. Whoever did it is most likely a central character. It will not be some character who was merely mentioned in passing.
To me the Anakin is the only possibility:
1) Anakin is also young and naive just as Padme was in TPM. Sidious/Palpatine knows this so why wouldn't he take advantage of it?
2) Anakin has a tremendous amount of respect for Palpatine...to the point of obeying his commands. Palpatine has told Anakin what he wants to hear (i.e. "You do not need guidance" "You will the most powerful of all Jedi." etc) so Anakin feels a strong connection with him.
3) Palpatine is the Chancellor and he is technically in command of the Jedi. Out of loyalty Anakin could have erased the files.
4) Anakin does not know the significance of Kamino as of the time of AOTC. He could still have thought nothing of Sidious/Palpatine's request that the files be erased. Palpatine could have suggested that Anakin accompany Padme because he knew Obi-Wan would soon find the clone army on Kamino; thus giving away the significance of that planet.
5) This alliance with Sidious/Palpatine would be the "final straw" that gets him booted out of the order. It could also be this betrayal of the Jedi that leads him to the Dark Side.
Some of you may say that this is "highly unlikely" and you would be right. That's why it works as a surprise.
Your thoughts... And please stay on topic..
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Ushgarak
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The records would have most likely been deleted at the point the Clone Army was produced. Anakin would have been way too young to be doing such a thing, I feel.
Dooku almost certainly had time to erase the records before he left IF he was already turning evil at that point, which is a grey area.
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Apr 23rd, 2003 08:02 PM |
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GordonSkywalker
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This is your best yet although I don't see Anakin erasing the files during the time frame mentioned as he would have surely had no window of oppurtunity to accomplish this objective. I think he would have been at Obi-Wan's side throughout the ten years between films. But then again he did find time to get guidence from Palpatine so I really don't know....it does make for excellent and new speculation though!
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Apr 23rd, 2003 08:05 PM |
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justinday15
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i think palpatine did it
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Apr 24th, 2003 01:58 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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In his role as Chancellor of the Republic? He sure couldn't manage it if he went there as Sidious!
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Apr 24th, 2003 02:31 AM |
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im pretty sure anakin couldn't have erased the files cuz he was still good then.
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Apr 24th, 2003 02:56 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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And he was a bit young to have gotten away with it.
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Apr 24th, 2003 03:15 AM |
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Evil Windu
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I certainly believe it was an inside job. How could any outsider do it? I don't buy that Sidious clouded every Jedi and did it himself. That is stretching his power too much. (See Palpatine is a Clawdite)
I do think Anakin is the best choice. Palpatine could have given him any number of reasons to do it. A few scenes in AOTC and even the "We'll watch your career with great interest" line in TPM shows that Palpatine has been bonding with Anakin since they first met. I do not think it would be too hard for Palpatine to manipulate Anakin into doing something like that.
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Apr 24th, 2003 03:18 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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In that case, Anakin might have been able to delete the information if he had been instructed on how to do it by Palpatine. This bonding issue between the both of them sounds like the catalyst for his turning against the other jedi and becoming Palpatine's right hand man.
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Apr 24th, 2003 04:54 AM |
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Tevesh
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well, palpatine had clouded pretty much the entire senate, and the jedi have known nothing of it.
Dooku: "What if i told you that the republic was now under the dark lord of the sith?"
Obi-Wan: "No, that's not possible. The Jedi would be aware of it."
Dooku: "The dark side of the force has clouded their vision, my friend. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a sith lord called Darth Sidious."
So, he could have clouded everyone's mind and deleted the records himself, and put in the order under a dead jedi's name, so the evidence wouldn't come back to him.
As much as I probably shouldn't compare the books to the movies, he did cloud like half the planed of Coruscant when the super star destroyer, Lukansia (sp?) was being built underneath it.
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Apr 24th, 2003 05:01 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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Interesting...didn't know this.
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Apr 24th, 2003 05:11 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Sidious does not strike me as the type for direct action- too risky.
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Apr 24th, 2003 11:00 AM |
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finti
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I agree, I go for the Dooku theory, or maybe the mysterious Sifo Dyas
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Apr 24th, 2003 11:08 AM |
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Corran
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I think Sifo Dyas too.
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Apr 24th, 2003 11:13 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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Sidious does like to let his apprentice do all the hard work while he sits back wearing his sith robes watching everything and everyone.
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Apr 24th, 2003 01:04 PM |
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Corran
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He has perfected the art of delegation.
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Apr 24th, 2003 02:46 PM |
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GordonSkywalker
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Yes I would say he has. It's the same thing throughout the series-old and new.
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Apr 24th, 2003 07:27 PM |
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it could well be an inside job, or it could be nothing more than something GL want's us to think hopelessly about, its all cool. me thinks it could be dark jedis at work
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Apr 25th, 2003 03:14 AM |
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GordonSkywalker
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Aren't dark jedi the same as sith lords? 
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Apr 26th, 2003 12:57 AM |
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Evil Windu
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Somthing like that.. I think they were once jedi then seduced by the dark side..
EDIT: Typo.
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Last edited by Evil Windu on Apr 26th, 2003 at 01:02 AM
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