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Sequel Trilogy - why bother?

There's been a lot of talk around here recently about the upcoming Sequel Trilogy. However I'm wondering, why should we bother with it?

The only reason the Sequel Trilogy is being made is so a bunch of greedy executives can make a ton of money off of merchandising. We, the fans, didn't ask for a Sequel Trilogy, we don't want it or need it. Those who like the movie characters have plenty of novels, comics etc featuring them and those same novels, comics etc have also created plenty of new characters for those who aren't fussed about those from the movies.

Sure, we can watch the Sequel Trilogy out of curiousity, but other than that why should we truly invest in it?

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We, the fans, didn't ask for the original movies either, yet whadyaknow, they happened. And it's pretty friggin self-centered and selfish of you to focus only on the fans who like the novels and games. There are a lot more people out there who care about the movies than they do the EU. They're being made for them, since they're the ones that drive the franchise.

If you don't care, don't pay to see them. If you do care, then do.


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Re: Sequel Trilogy - why bother?

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Originally posted by chilled monkey
There's been a lot of talk around here recently about the upcoming Sequel Trilogy. However I'm wondering, why should we bother with it?

The only reason the Sequel Trilogy is being made is so a bunch of greedy executives can make a ton of money off of merchandising. We, the fans, didn't ask for a Sequel Trilogy, we don't want it or need it. Those who like the movie characters have plenty of novels, comics etc featuring them and those same novels, comics etc have also created plenty of new characters for those who aren't fussed about those from the movies.

Sure, we can watch the Sequel Trilogy out of curiousity, but other than that why should we truly invest in it?
What, exactly, is the purpose of this thread?


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To b*tch about something that doesn't deserve it.


Yet.


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I'd love to see a more matured up Star Wars with PG-13 features. Since I won't get that, I'll probably just go see it out of curiosity.


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I'd love to see a more matured up Star Wars with PG-13 features.
We had that. It was called Revenge of the Sith. It was so "dark" and "gritty" and "serious". Bro.


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Revenge of the Sith was ****in amazing IMO.


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Yeah, I bet.


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I found RotS rather contrived.

I'm extremely excited for the new movies though.

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We had that. It was called Revenge of the Sith. It was so "dark" and "gritty" and "serious". Bro.


Not really. The storyline was sad but the characters couldnt sell it. Bad acting and drama style dialogs have a huge effect on this though. Directors have a huge impact on the actors' performances. Thanks to Lucas, even Samuel Jackson performed poorly. Ian McDiarmid and Ewan McGregor were the only 2 who actually didn't suck.

However, I'm not crying out for another OT style trilogy. OT was great but it was the first step of the creation of this wide fictional universe and it evolved into something even better in time. What I'm looking for in a SW movie is the dark and philosophical concept that we had in KOTOR. That kind of concept would be awesome to watch regardless of the era.

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Not really.
No, really. We had that.


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We need a Saw themed star wars movie. That is all.


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Re: Re: Sequel Trilogy - why bother?

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What, exactly, is the purpose of this thread?


I'm just curious. I'd like to know why anyone should give a filoffal about these upcoming movies.

If you like the movie characters (Luke Leia, Chewbacca etc) then there are plenty of books, comics etc that say "what happened next." Why bother with new movies when you already have the means to spend time with beloved characters?

Likewise if you weren't interested in the movie characters, the EU introduced others. Except that they won't be in the new movies.

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And it's pretty friggin self-centered and selfish of you to focus only on the fans who like the novels and games.


I'm not. I'm considering the movie fans too.

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There are a lot more people out there who care about the movies than they do the EU.


But like I said, the movie characters are covered in the novels/comics. If say, your favourite is Luke Skywalker then there are plenty of novels/comics with him in. If you want to spend time with him you can read those.

I honestly want to know, what is the appeal?

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I'm not. I'm considering the movie fans too.



But like I said, the movie characters are covered in the novels/comics. If say, your favourite is Luke Skywalker then there are plenty of novels/comics with him in. If you want to spend time with him you can read those.

I honestly want to know, what is the appeal?
Okay...


The appeal is that a movie is a movie, not a comic or novel. This is like asking what's the appeal of driving a car when there's a city bus you can hop on? They're not the same thing, and I honestly don't know how you can't see that. The movies are being made for people who want to see more Star Wars. The novels and comics are made for people who like to read Star Wars novels and comics. It's not a competition about either-or. Different media for different people, and it happens that the films are far more high-profile and lucrative.


Seriously, how are you not grasping such a simple concept?


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Sequel Trilogy - why bother?

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Okay...


The appeal is that a movie is a movie, not a comic or novel. This is like asking what's the appeal of driving a car when there's a city bus you can hop on? They're not the same thing, and I honestly don't know how you can't see that. The movies are being made for people who want to see more Star Wars. The novels and comics are made for people who like to read Star Wars novels and comics.


Yeah, but you watch a movie or read a book for the same reason. Because it has characters you like.

These movies are just not needed as there is already plenty of stuff featuring the movie characters.

See below.

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It's not a competition about either-or. Different media for different people, and it happens that the films are far more high-profile and lucrative.


That's part of the problem. The novels etc are made for art. The movies are just a way to make money.

In any case, I'm not saying people shouldn't watch it. Heck, I'll probably watch the Sequel Trilogy myself.

When I say, "why bother with it?" I just mean I see no reason to treat it as anything more than a what-if story.

To put it another way, to me the EU is what "really happened" and these movies will just be a diversion.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sequel Trilogy - why bother?

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Yeah, but you watch a movie or read a book for the same reason. Because it has characters you like.

These movies are just not needed as there is already plenty of stuff featuring the movie characters.

See below.
Wrong. I watch a movie because I want the experience of a movie. And part of the criteria for a story-based film is the characters. Don't confuse the correlation of the themes/characters/story of a film with the desire for the existence of the film just in and of itself. Reading a book is different from reading a comic, watching a movie is different from playing a video-game, etc. Different media, different deliveries, different executions, different experiences.



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That's part of the problem. The novels etc are made for art. The movies are just a way to make money.

In any case, I'm not saying people shouldn't watch it. Heck, I'll probably watch the Sequel Trilogy myself.

When I say, "why bother with it?" I just mean I see no reason to treat it as anything more than a what-if story.

To put it another way, to me the EU is what "really happened" and these movies will just be a diversion.
Don't trick yourself in to one-sided cynicism. For one, it's narrow-minded and rather ignorant, and for another, it reeks of a bygone elitist attitude that entertainment media can only be "art" if it's put to page instead of celluloid.


It doesn't take much maneuvering to take your position on this and make it say "Why have film at all, when the characters of film can instead just be put to print?" Sounds retarded, doesn't it?

Just to reiterate, film--and I'm going to emphasize this like a prick--Is. Not. The. Same. As. Print. It's an entirely separate experience and a totally different way to delivery a story, characters, worlds, themes, effects, music, etc. These movies are being made for people who want to once again see Star Wars as a movie (and hopefully a good one this time). It's not about the Star Wars characters, it's about the Star Wars movie.


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Chilled Monkey,

You do realize, that with Disney's new Canon policy that "what happens next" in all of those books and comics now didn't happen, right? Also, those new interesting characters, introduced in said books and comics, likewise don't exist in the Canon universe. I understand if you personally don't want or need a Sequel Trilogy, but I for one would enjoy seeing the OT characters benefiting from some updated technology, to better show their capabilities, compared to how they originally were presented.

Besides, this means that new books and comics will be produced, so even if you disagree with the new trilogy, you at least get that.


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Revenge of the Sith was ****in amazing IMO.

For a Star Wars movie anyway.

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Chilled Monkey,

You do realize, that with Disney's new Canon policy that "what happens next" in all of those books and comics now didn't happen, right?


Wrong.

I decide for myself what I consider to be canon. To me the books/comics etc are what happened.

Now maybe (just maybe) the new movies will actually be good (although I doubt it), in which case I'll consider them a parallel universe.

If Disney told you to stop breathing would you do it, or would you think for yourself and say "no, I'll keep on breathing."


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Also, those new interesting characters, introduced in said books and comics, likewise don't exist in the Canon universe.


Says who? A bunch of suits? I don't let suits tell me what to enjoy and what not to. I adore those characters so to me they exist.

If Disney thinks they can tell me how to live my life, they can get stuffed. I apologize for saying this, but it seems to me like people here are acting like brainwashed drones that only think what Disney tells them to.

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