hmm something thats never been addressed i dont think
In M1 when neo touches that mirror as they're freeing him, he starts to get covered in a silvery liquid, and it engulfs him. Think about what smith does to people in M2... its the same except black. In the any of the matrix movies, you never see that liquidy shit come out on people as they're being freed. and the way it traveled over neo reminded me of how it was with smith. but the thing is, the crew of the neb sort of knew what the stuff was I think. It seems they did at least. But anywho, perhaps that was the code being inserted into neo to make him be the one, or what not. you know, having it copy onto him like smiths mojo juice turned banes brains (:smokin into smith virus. what do ya think
Sifer> Smith was never a programmer for a respectable computer company.
Smith was never freed from the Matrix by others.
Smith was never taken to the Oracle.
Smith never fell in love with Trinity.
Smith doesn’t dream of the future.
Etc, etc, etc.
What exactly has happened to Neo, that has also happened to Smith?
We haven’t seen other people being freed by a handful of rebels before. I think the mirror going liquid in M1 was a dramatic effect to show us (Neo), that we were about to enter the rabbit hole. The first solid hint at the world being un-real.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Firstly Smith wants to get out. So does Neo.
Neo gets out. So does Smith.
Neo is rebellious against the system. So is Smith.
Neo is killed by Smith and Smith is killed by Neo.
When Neo is about to rescue Morpheus Smith shouts out No! Then later Neo does the exact same thing.
When Neo and Smith are fighting in the Subway they do the same diving move and run out of bullets at the same time AND end up in EXACTLY the same position.
They can both feel each other.
Smith inserts his hand into people's torso and replicates himself. Neo puts his hand inside Trinity and brings her back to life.
Everytime they have fought they have never beaten each other.
i see your point siefer... but you didnt answer the question. The question is why. What you said is... how should I put it... A means, it is not an end.
__________________ "I'm not so bad, Once you get to know me." The Smith Virus
Re: hmm something thats never been addressed i dont think
no i don't think they are connected. In m1, that thing is design to awake the subject from the matrix by shocking him. That cold liquid is just a means of doing it.
in m2, the liquid in smith's multiplication is just a graphic way to show the progress of copying. ...my opinion
I will also add a few more just for the sake of it.
Smith refuses to be deleted by choosing the Matrix instead of the Source. Neo does the same.
Bane(Smith) is unconscious in the Real World, so is Neo.
Smith is also trapped in the Matrix at the same time. So is Neo.
Oh just to say also: The mirror effect was a hallucination and is the reason Trinity and Morp look at each other - cause they haven't got a clue what he is seeing.
I believe the Wachowski's say that it's a hallucination in this interview:
Sifer> “When Neo is about to rescue Morpheus Smith shouts out No! Then later Neo does the exact same thing.”
What? Neo shouts ”No”?? that prooves they’re ”The same”?? You know, I’m positive other people shouts “no” in the movies,
“Smith inserts his hand into people's torso and replicates himself. Neo puts his hand inside Trinity and brings her back to life.”
But Neo doesn’t go around DE-virusing anyone, as he should, if he was “the same”.
“Firstly Smith wants to get out. So does Neo.”
So does the Kid and the many others who the rebels have freed. Proves nothing.
“Neo is rebellious against the system. So is Smith.”
So are Morpheus, Trinity, Tank, Link, Niobe, Ghost, Lock etc.etc.etc. Proves nothing.
“Neo is killed by Smith and Smith is killed by Neo.”
So Neo is the only human Smith has killed???
“When Neo and Smith are fighting in the Subway they do the same diving move and run out of bullets at the same time AND end up in EXACTLY the same position.”
But the entire scene is not a mirror. You cannot simply pick and choose to fit your hypothesis.
“They can both feel each other.”
Then why does Smith enter the programmers corridor in EtM when Niobe walks in it, saying
“Damn. Not the person I was hoping for.”
“ Everytime they have fought they have never beaten each other.”
Aside from the time Smith killed Neo. And when Neo deleted Smith.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
You clearly haven't watched the films properly if you disagree.
The points you just tried to retort with are to put it bluntly, pathetic. Not a single point I brought up did you justify properly and instead come up with excuses such as:
Aside from the time Smith killed Neo. And when Neo deleted Smith.
Let me think. Did Neo stay dead - no he didn't - wow, now thats a revelation because guess what, neither did Smith. Again, mimicking each others actions. So shut up and think about it logically before you try and disect something you clearly have no understanding of.
Oh and it's just one entire ****ing coincidence that anything major that happens to one of them also happens to the other. Bollocks! The Wachowski's don't do things by coincidence.
I will agree with Sifer, in that the W-ski Bros. do NOT do anything just as coincidence. Also, I agree that Neo and Smith are similar, Sifer, but that is only to amplify their differences, as Omega seems to be saying. And, just to say, Neo did not stay dead because of Trinity's love for him. Smith did not stay dead because he DIDN'T WANT TO. Big difference. Also, Neo didn't have the choice of choosing the source when he died, that is only PROGRAMS, not humans, and only programs that are obsolete, not dead.
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hmm something thats never been addressed i dont think
into smith virus. what do ya think
Sep 1st, 2003 05:44 AM
