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Unleashed
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Trinity

Ring x 2

Trinity: Is everything in place
Cipher: You weren't supposed to relieve me
Trinity: I know but I felt like relieving your shift
Cipher: You like him don't you? You like watching him.
Trinity: Don't be ridiculous.
Cipher: We're gonna kill him. You understand that?

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there was more in the full original script:

TRINITY (V.O.)
Don't be ridiculous.

CYPHER (V.O.)
We're going to kill him.
Do you understand that?
He's going to die just
like the others.

TRINITY (V.O.)
Morpheus believes he is
the One.

Only two thin digits left.

CYPHER (V.O.)
Do you?

TRINITY (V.O.)
I... it doesn't matter
what I believe.

CYPHER (V.O.)
You don't, do you?

TRINITY (V.O.)
If you have something to
say, I suggest you say it
to Morpheus.

CYPHER (V.O.)
I intend to, believe me.
Someone has to.

The final number pops into place--

TRINITY (V.O.)
Did you hear that?

CYPHER (V.O.)
Hear what?


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You can never tell wether Cipher's joking?

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JediHDM
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it is very foreshadowing, what Cypher says. But i don't think he knows of the previous anomalies, if that is what you are implying...


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I just wanted to know if someone else would catch how Cypher just stated his betrayel plan and how trinity seemed to not just be calm but know all about it. I had watched the seen on matrix one were trinity pauses Neo in the phone both and says "Everything the Oracle states has come true every thing but this." It made me figure that trinity was a traitor to like Cypher and that she purposely set Neo up with Smith at the end of the movie. Now I kind of think Neo is just in some training phase and nobody is really against him their just out to teach him some lesson so he can get stronger and they can learn how to get stronger from his strength. Even agent smith gained some powers from the moment Neo crawled all over his body.

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when cypher says others i understood this as the potentials that died because morpheus had belived they were they one (and they wernt obv) ... or something like that


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Of course in matrix three (and this is not a cheat becauses I'm just guessing) he's going to find out that he is not the one.

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He's the one...


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CYPHER
I'm going to let you in on
a little secret here. Now
don't tell him I told you
this, but this ain't the
first time Morpheus
thought he found the One.

NEO
Really?

CYPHER
You bet your ass. It keeps
him going. Maybe it keeps
all of us going.

NEO
How many were there?

CYPHER
Five. Since I've been
here.

NEO
What happened to them?

CYPHER
Dead. All dead.

NEO
How?

CYPHER
Honestly? Morpheus. He got
them all amped up
believing in bullshit. I
watched each of them take
on an Agent and I watched
each of them die. Little
piece of advice: you see
an Agent, you do what we
do; run. Run your ass off.

Neo gulps down another shot.

NEO
Thanks... for the drink.

CYPHER
Any time.

Cypher nods as Neo heads for the
ladder.

CYPHER
Sweet dreams.


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another cut bit (goes with cyphers)

MORPHEUS
I told you that I can only
show you the door. You
have to step through it.

Neo blows out a breath. His hand
reaches but stops, hovering over the
spherical handle. He backs away.

NEO
Morpheus, I don't think
this is a good idea.

MORPHEUS
Why?

NEO
I told you I don't believe
in this stuff. No matter
what she says I'm not
going to believe it, so
what's the point?

MORPHEUS
What do you believe in?

NEO
What do I believe in? Are
you kidding me? What do
you think? The world I
grew up in, isn't real. My
entire life was a lie. I
don't believe in anything
anymore.

MORPHEUS
That's why we're here.

NEO
Why? So I can hear some
old lady tell me, what?
That I'm this guy that
everybody's been waiting
for? That I'm supposed to
save the world? It sounds
insane. Unbelievable. And
I don't care who says it,
it's still going to sound
insane and unbelievable.

MORPHEUS
Faith is not a matter of
reasonability. I do not
believe things with my
mind. I believe them with
my heart. In my gut.

NEO
And you believe I'm the
One?

MORPHEUS
Yes I do.

NEO
Yeah? What about the other
five guys? The five before
me? What about them?

Morpheus tries to hide his heart being
wrenched from his chest.

NEO
Did you believe in them
too?

MORPHEUS
I believed what the Oracle
told me... no, I
misunderstood what she
told me. I believed that
it was all about me.

This is difficult for Morpheus to
admit.

MORPHEUS
I believed that all I had
to do was point my finger
and anoint whoever I
chose. I was wrong, Neo.
Terribly wrong. Not a day
or night passes that I do
not think of them. After
the fifth, I lost my way.
I doubted everything the
Oracle had said. I doubted
myself.

He looks up at Neo.

MORPHEUS
And then I saw you, Neo,
and my world changed. You
can call it an epiphany,
you can call it whatever
the hell you want. It
doesn't matter. It's not
about a word. It's about
this. So I can't explain
it to you. All I can do is
believe, Neo, believe that
one day you will feel what
I felt and know what I
know; you are the sixth
and the last. You are the
One.


His eyes blaze.


MORPHEUS
Until that time all I am
asking from you is for you
to hold on to whatever
respect you may have for
me and trust me.

Neo feels a rush from Morpheus's
intensity, the unadulterated
confidence of a zealot.

NEO
All right.

He reaches for the handle which turns
without him even touching it. A WOMAN
wearing white opens the door.

PRIESTESS (WOMAN)
Hello, Neo. You're right
on time.


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um, can you tell me why you said this? Because im not even sure if you know why you said this...


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i started off saying a bit cut out of the phone call
and then i found something else that cypher says about the dead ones
and then morpheus


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where did you find them?! Cause they're not in the movie...


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some website has the original script (several versions actually), can't remember.


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A link to a site with those bits of conversation would be nice.

However: The Wachowski brothers changed and rewrote the script almost up until the day they started shooting The Matrix. That these bits of conversation is not IN the movie means something.
We’re not supposed to base any attempt at deciphering the movies on them. They don’t mean anything, otherwise they wouldn’t have been taken out.

It’s very likely that Morpheus had found other potential Ones before Neo. We don’t know when Morpheus started his quest, but he was “a known terrorist” by the time Neo woke up. Morpheus previous attempts failed. They died. That is probably what Cipher meant in the conversation with Trinity that we DID hear in the movie.

As for the part, where Morpheus tells Neo he’s the sixth and last. Maybe Morpheus did try with five other potentials who were not the one. Maybe the Wachoski brothers decided to use that for Reloaded.


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Yes, i agree with Omega. If it was not in the end script, that means there was a reason that the Wachowskis took it out, most likely that it would give too much away, or that they decided to do a trilogy, and the idea kept evolving along the way (much like our ideas in this forum...). If Morpheus did try with others, it is not mentioned at all. So i'll go by whats in the Movies, and what is given by the bros. Although it is intriguing to read how they wanted it to go, it has no pertinence to our discussions.


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i got those off the revisited dvd actually, its also in art of the matrix book (which i want) (please log in to view the image) and most probably on the net


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yes, that maybe true, however, it is not in the MOVIES, it is commentary on the moviees, so that does not really count, because this is commentary on the movies, but it doesn't mean this is true, this forum, this thread...


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ALRITE!!


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The original Matrix had to be rewritten because the W Bros. did not know if they would be able to financialy make a trilogy. Hence the script was reworked to be a stand alone film. So they HAD to rewrite the script to be clever enough for potential sequels, just in case.

So......I believe that much of the original scripts hold some truths to what can be learned towards the conclusion of Revolutions and the overall story of the Matrix Trilogy.

Which ones will be true, we will have to wait and learn.


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