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Why do the agents...
want to kill the keymaker. isnt he needed to keep the system from crashing
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Sep 22nd, 2003 06:37 PM |
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GABRIEL05
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It's all apart of the illusion.
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Sep 22nd, 2003 06:56 PM |
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Exabyte
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Do they really?
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Sep 22nd, 2003 06:57 PM |
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HyperDream
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the key maker is a program i thought yeah why?
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Sep 22nd, 2003 07:07 PM |
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ILFTKYS
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maybe they are appearing to try to kill him, and that will spurn the One and those helping on to go to the source. But Merovingian and his goons are really trying to kill him, because they could probably care less about the system or the humans!
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Sep 22nd, 2003 07:14 PM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
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No, i think the Mero is even a pawn, even though he thinks he is free, because everything happens for a reason, if it weren't for Mero, then we wouldn't have had the car chase, bolstering the resolve of the One (if i've come this far, i have to finish it). It is his job to keep the Keymaker, just as it Persephone's job to release him.
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Sep 22nd, 2003 07:29 PM |
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interesting
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Sep 22nd, 2003 07:45 PM |
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xemir
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The keymaker was a rouge program marked for deletion so that he could not help the rebels use the back doors.
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Sep 22nd, 2003 11:06 PM |
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The Omega
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Merovingian: “I’ve survived your predecessors. I’ll survive you, too.” And also, he points out the previous Ones had better manners.
So: The Mero has met the previous Ones. Now, the only reason for them to DO so, would be part of the path of the One. The Mero may TRY to keep the One from entering the Source, resetting the Matrix and causing a lot of mess. But he’s tried. And failed. In the same manner the Keymaker is part of the path of the One. Sure, agents may try to kill him, to make it LOOK as if the rebels and the One are struggling against the system.
But it is all another system of control.
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Sep 22nd, 2003 11:14 PM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
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His purpose was to get the ONE to the door, so that the prophecy can be continued. In the sense that all rogue programs have fulfilled their purpose, that is wrong, each program has a purpose after they go rogue, if they "choose" to stay, (and by choose i mean if the Matrix needs them to perform other functions). The purpose of the Keymaker is to continue the cycle, and he does this by getting the anomaly to the door. The fact that the Agents were after him shows that the Agents don't know everything about this or previous matrixes, because the purpose of the keymaker would be moot if the Agents were to take him out. ie, the agents are only there to make the job of the rebels harder, so that, not only are they fighting in the "real" world, they are also fighting to survive in the Matrix. the Purpose of the Agents is to make the rebels "comfortable" in thier pursuit, ensuring they do not have too much time to think, to ponder, to analyze. Just because we are "told" the Keymaker is a so-called rogue program, does not mean he is going to be killed before his purpose is complete. Which brings me back to my theory. I think that Zion is a matrix, because everyone has a purpose, and they must fulfill this purpose, according to plan. Which brings up the point of "what about free-will, choice?". Yes, what about them? They are moot, nonexistent. Everymove that is made has been planned out before hand, both in Zion and the Matrix, so much so, that, if Zion weren't a program, it is very much a coincidence that a rusty bolt happened to be on a ship involved in the destruction of electricity, and that said rusty-bolt happened to break the moment needed to force Trinity to enter the Matrix, causing Neo to choose her, over humanity. It has ALL been planned out before, making me wonder how many layers there are. 3, 4, 5? infinite number? How far DOES the rabbit-hole go? Hmmmm...
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Sep 22nd, 2003 11:23 PM |
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The Omega
Z10N0101
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JediHDM> But it’s always easy, in hindsight, and especially in a movie, to say someone has a preordained purpose. It’s like saying, since I hurt my foot on that accursed coffee-table, I was supposed to hit my foot on that pesky piece of furniture.
Programs have a purpose. Even Neo does, but only in his rôle as the One, because the One is integral to the system of control.
Everyone IN every movie made has a purpose. A movie tells a story, and a story has a point. It’s hard to get there, if the villain doesn’t make his villainous deeds, or the hero doesn’t save the day.
So I do not think you can argue FOR the MWtM because the characters in the Matrix movie act as they do.
If that was really the case, then the war SHOULD be over.
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Sep 22nd, 2003 11:49 PM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
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I'm not saying that movies are not made without a purpose, but im saying that, in the Matrix, that characters are shown to have SIGNIFICANTLY COINCIDENTAL events happen, that seem to point to a purpose higher than the Matrix, higher than ZION even, but not because it helps the movie along, although it does...
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Sep 23rd, 2003 01:47 AM |
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Korri
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do Agents have a sweet tooth? 
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Sep 23rd, 2003 04:27 PM |
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JediHDM
Jedi of the Matrix
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Smith does...
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Sep 23rd, 2003 04:51 PM |
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Korri
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ya Cookie Monsta (smith shvels a handful of cookies in his mouth)
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Sep 23rd, 2003 05:00 PM |
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icansee
Furious Angel 2
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Sep 24th, 2003 07:23 AM |
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Korri
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more? ohhh more more! 
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Sep 24th, 2003 03:07 PM |
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Obba
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Where do I go to see the Revolutions Trailers? Yoda, (JEdiHOM(sp)) please don't get too mad. I am a newb!! ANyway, I would also like to point out that Neo did choose the door to end the World. SO if Zion falls it's Neo's fault 
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Nov 4th, 2003 05:11 AM |
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ITALIAN926
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Jedi, how let down are you going to feel when its not MWAM?? I think that scenario is way too obvious. Everyone (myself included) thought MWAM when leaving the theatre first time around EVEN without fully understanding what happened. The opponents of MWAM in this site have really convinced me.... and I believe the only hole is the explantion for Neo having electric powers in the "real world". One simple explanation not yet known will make it all sensible.
And about the rusty bolt coincedence, youd have to believe that NEO would have STILL had to choose for Trinity because the other choice was the rebuilding of Zion with 26 individuals FROM THE MATRIX, which tells me Trinity would have been killed anyway. He still wouldve chosen to go back to the Matrix AND Trinity.
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Nov 4th, 2003 08:02 AM |
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Metamorphisis
Mr Wizard
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Jedi
Alas, I fear that you will be very disappointed tomorrow.  You are going to learn that causality is not the norm, MWAM does not exist, and that the System, as much of a control as it is, may very well be fighting with itself to eliminate the anomaly before it reaches the Architect. It's never been stated in the matrix that Neo's death would result in a cataclysmic system failure - it's only been assumed.
Assumption is the mother of all mistakes. (I'm not saying Neo's death would effect it either way, but I suspect that it may not. The agents are just a part of the equation trying to balance itself out!)
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