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Mobil Ave, Hel Club, and Neo
Ok... I just went through just about everything I have on revolutions (including all twelve of the previews to Reloaded, scouring them for the Revolutions tid bits that they had, And the scripts to both movies, And Enter the Matrix, And every pertinent pic I could find... yeah yeah, I know I know). Well, I came up with a few things. So... here goes it. *deep breath*
LOOP!! He's stuck there in a doggone loop. Like a never ending while loop, for loop, or do loop (I think someone might have suggested this before too). Whatever kind it is doesn't matter. The idea is just symbolic. What matters is To a computer, a Loop is a great place to trap something. Ok, if you've programed before you might be following this, and if not just let me know and I'll explain loops in Simple terms. Ok, Sooo... Neo's in a loop. The train station, a subway train, it all seems to fit with the idea too. Subways travel in closed loops. Cycling over and over.... ok ok, so he can't get out. You got that part. Well that's where Mero is keeping Neo. Not Hel Club. Trin, Morp, and Seraph all go to Hel Club to confront Mero but then have to get to the Loop to rescue him. This is after talking to the Oracle. *calm down... slow down... deep breath. Speak clearly now*
(Help trailer> 0:00 to 0:08)
Trinity: Do you know what happened to Neo?
Oracle: All I can tell you is that your friend needs your help. He needs all OUR help. (emphasis added)
So off they go to Hel Club. *Also, it's worth noting that the Oracle says OUR help, which makes me think she IS on our side. Other evidence that shes on our side is ETM where she says it more directly.
(Enter the Matrix> Speech with Niobe and Oracle)
Oracle : The Merovingian warned me that if I made a certain choice, it would cost me. He is, among other things, a man of his word.
Niobe : What was the choice?
Oracle : The same one you yourself will have to make -- the choice to help Neo or not.
Sooo, into Club Hel (that's the third time I've said they go in  ). They go right on in, guns drawn. (Final Trailer for Revolutions> 0:41 to 0:43 shows them surrounded/confronted and about to be taken to Mero) They are brought to Mero. Trin and gang talk to him and Persephone.
(Super Bowl trailer for Reloaded> 0:35 to 0:45)
Trinity: You give me Neo or we all die, right here, right now.
Mero: You are ready to die for this man?
More discussion. Then Mero makes his move. The famous phrase:
(Final Trailer for Revolutions> 0:42 to 0:48)
Mero: Bring me the eyes of the oracle... and then I will give you back your saviour.
*Actually, I believe he says this Before the we-die-right-here-right-now speech. Why? Because Trinity definitely puts the gun to his head. But, while the Mero is giving His little arrogant demand he's sitting calmly in his chair with a martini in his hand (or whatever drink it may be). Sooo, I think That was first, more talking ensues, a little fighting, gun flies into the air, trin catches it, points it to the head of mero (which reminds me of "dodge this" ~ Matrix> on top of building. Said to agent. hehehe). Trin says her line that I wrote before, and sometime after that Persephone says:
(Help trailer> 0:25 to 0:26)
Persephone: If she has to she'll kill every one of us.
Trinity: Believe it.
Big battle ensues. These are the fight scenes that are in the dungeon looking areas we see. Well that's what I call it, but it's the place with the pillars and the people running on the ceiling. Ok... That looks cool. Very cool. I believe the fight with the underground parking lot fits in here too (you know, where Seraph does that spinning jump kick to that guys face, and Trinity comes from behind that guy, grabs his gun, and kicks his... you got it, face!) Ok... So after all the face kicking... They go to rescue Neo.
Meanwhile... back in the Loop. Neo wakes up next to Rama Kandra's daughter. We know that Rama and his wife are the people who sold the Oracle's termination codes to the Merovingian. This we get from ETM:
Ghost: Can you tell me what happened to you?
Oracle: Two programs that I trusted sold the termination code of my original shell to the Merovingian.
Ghost: Why did they do that?
Oracle: For love. For the life of their child.
Ghost: You knew about it, and yet you let it happen?
Oracle: I had to.
Ghost: Why?
Oracle: Because the child is important. I can't tell you why, but I believe one day, the child will change both our world and your world forever.
*And for those of you who didn't catch Rama in Reloaded, he was that strange guy being led OUT at the same time Neo and crew were heading IN to see the Merovingian (you might remember him by the funny little matrix-y sound when Neo looked at him).
Now there is a lot less to go on from here, so there is a lot more that I'll be infering. It appears that Neo wakes up on the floor (International Trailer> 0:00 to 0:08). He then sits up, and boom, there's the little girl like I said (Final trailer for Revolutions> 0:38 to 0:39). He soon meets the whole family (picture on official Matrix website), and I'm sure a lot of things are explained. We'll probably learn a lot here. Ahh, now it's worth pointing out that Rama is in the Loop too. Mero is keeping him trapped there. Hmmm. Maybe that is where he was sending him when we saw him get kicked out of the restaraunt. Well, either way, the Mero is keeping him at this point. So, he threatens them in order to get the termination codes to the Oracle's shell, then he throws them into the Mobil Ave Limbo Loop. That dirty little bastard! Nom de Dieu de putain de bordel de merde de saloperie de connard d'enculé de ta mère! Go wipe with that why don't ya!
Well, it appears that the Mero decides to do -- i dunno, Something -- with Rama and his family, because along comes the train, and you see them in front of it with their bags packed (Final Trailer for Revolutions> 0:43 to 0:44). I doubt he's getting ready to 'let them go' but that's beside the point. Now, as for the bum dude. He seems to be keeping Neo from getting on the train and ensuring that the Kandra's family gets on it. He decks Neo (Final Trailer for Revolutions> 0:44 to 0:45). Neo looks up pitifully (Final Trailer for Revolutions> 0:47 to 0:48). This, of course, spells bad news. Neo got hit. And apparently he can't fight the same if he even got hit at all. This probably has to do with being in Limbo. I can't say how much of a fight will then ensue, but in the end, Neo is still in the Loop, and I imagine the family is taken away. Why do I think Neo is in the Loop still? Because Trinity comes and rescues him there. Why do I think the family is gone? Because Neo wasn't able to save himself, so I don't think he could have saved them.
Ok, so after a certain amount of movie time Trinity makes it into the Loop to rescue Neo. She sees him and takes off her shades (International Trailer> 0:10 to 0:11). She runs to him, and they embrace *sorry korri* (International Trailer> 1:13 to 1:14). They kiss... *sorry again* (International Trailer> 1:09). And Yay, he's safe. Love conquers all. Now he's only got to get out, fly to 01, while he's blowing up sentinel bombs, confront the Speak machine, plug in, beat Smith, all while Zion is fighting off 250,000 squiddies and a hundred or so drills with EMP's and Foff guns.  Shouldn't be too hard 
Ok, these are all my Thoughts. This is in no way a Spoiler because I don't know jack. I have no inside connections. I have read no script. I have seen no special release. I just inferred all this from the clips that we have. Also, I in no way believe that I am absolutely right, or that there is no way I can be wrong. I expect to be wrong on a lot of this. Or at least not completely right. Please, pick this apart. Point out holes. Or if you find things that back it up, Great. Bring those up too. I just put this together as a Starting point that we can all go from. "Where we go from here is a choice I leave to you."  So all you on the core group, please go to town on this one.
Please, have fun with this. Find more stuff, and lets see what else we can come up with.
Jedi, Omega, and all... the floor is yours....
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furryman
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 well done... that pretty much what i had thought
(the fight in the place with the pillars is called 'hel coat check' so its on the way in - look at the different doors)
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icansee
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I agree on your loop theory and I also think that the weird looking bum at the train station is the guardian of the loop system.
How come Mero is in exile? but yet is a traffic of information? To me there seems to be two threads here. On one hand we have the Mero and then we have smith, both of them are working outside of the normal machine world system. The oracle said in both cases about Smith and Mero both want power but yet they have not battled against each other, why do you think that is? Most people who compete tend to try and take out their competitor. What do you think?
If Neo is trapped between worlds, that will give Smith a free ride to do what he feel like but yet it will hinder Mero actions of gaining power because Smith wants it all. So why does the Mero not want to help the humans because if he does not Smith wins or has Mero and smith struck a deal?
This discussion is just that a discussion we have not seen the film but just a debate.
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heres my pic
entrance on left
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Sep 27th, 2003 09:23 AM |
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SimplePriest
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burlyman> That's great! Cool, I didn't know that scene was the coat check. So yeah, now that you say that, that scene is probably on the way in. Good call. Thank you.
Keep 'em comin guys.
*Also, here's a random question. Does anybody remember a ship being brought down by sentinels in Reloaded? Because when I was sifting through the Reloaded clips I saw a Quick clip of these sentinels latching onto one of the ships and trying to break in. But I can't remember a scene like that in the movie, which makes me think it was another clip from Revolutions. It doesn't mean much if it's true, but I was just curious....
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Sep 27th, 2003 01:42 PM |
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nice one burlee
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Sep 27th, 2003 01:50 PM |
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furryman
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thanks korree
simple> the bit where they are latching on is in rev - neo and trins i guess
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Ok, thanks burly. That's what I was thinking. cool
keep 'em coming.
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Simple> ok, because of the new info courtesy of IGN, the beginning is still on the Hammer, and Trinity finds out Neo is still Jacked in somehow, thats why they go to see the Oracle. Also, i think the part where Seraph kicks he guy, in the parking lot, is before they enter the actual club, because i think they drive up, go to the door, they are stopped, gotta beat up the "bouncer(s)", enter, gotta get past coat check dude, finally enter, got guns pointed at everyone, etc...Also, i think the wild hair dude is like Charon, taking the obselete programs from club Hel to the Source...this is what he is doing when he punches neo, cause its not neos time yet, but the family, or at least the parents, are up for deletion...Maybe Neo was pulled back ino the matrix to save the little girl, maybe the observer dude PULLED him in, to take the girl out...???
and the loop...if anyone knows of recursive loops, that dont have parameters that cause the loop to stop, this is it...except the are parameters, maybe its like the doors, that you need a key for, perse opens the door, for trin and Morpheus, to get Neo out, whereas if Neo opened the door, he would see a brick wall, or something...
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interesting thoughts
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Sep 27th, 2003 05:36 PM |
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"you know what has to be done"
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JediHDM> thank you. And thanks to all.
Burlyman> yeah, I figure that pic is when they're driving to Hel club. BTW, it sounds like that's going to be a big part of this movie. There is the parking lot fighting, the coat check fighting, and the in the room with Mero fighting. Not to mention the discussion they're sure to have and details they'll reveal... Should be interesting 
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Sep 27th, 2003 05:47 PM |
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SimplePriest
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JediHDM> hmmm. I like your thoughts on the bum guy. And about the way to get in and out of the loop. "That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me."
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Sep 27th, 2003 05:51 PM |
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Hey look.
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yeah we know
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the escort is the same is the guy seraph kicks in the car park in rev
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SimplePriest
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Ahhh, the rabbit hole gets deeper. good call burly
You've definitely been helpul
Well seeing as how there hasn't been much opposition to this theory I guess people find it pretty sound. Of course we won't know until Nov 5th how the story really unfolds... Thanks for your help all. And if you guys find anymore interesting facts related to this part of the story please share them with us all.
Ok lets see what other parts of the story we can figure out
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Sep 27th, 2003 09:35 PM |
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Good call, man. If it is a loop, how would he get out of it? any ideas?
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Take the train to the next stop...lol. I think Mero is in control of Limbo (it makes sense if he is indeed Hades/Satan/Lucifer etc). So can therefore allow people access in and out of it.
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Simplepriest> Nice theory. But…
Why do you write that the little girl next to Neo when he wakes up IS THE child, mentioned by the Oracle?? (Did I miss something, somewhere?)
The tracks where the LOOP-trains drives MAY also be accessible to other trains, that perhaps take exiles to another level of the Matrix. Perhaps Matrix 1.0? Or you do indeed need a special train/key to get there.
We still need a reason for Neo to be caught in Limbo? And, if the child IS the important child mentioned by the Oracle, what SHE is doing there, as well as her “parents.” We know from ETM that the parents are programs, but perhaps they found a way of creating a program AND inserting it into a pod human baby? So that we’re dealing with a program that HAS a human body???
JediHDM has an interesting explanation for the Observer/Spectator. Namely Charon. Good idea, Jedi.
Limbo doesn’t really have anything to do with Hades/Satan/Lucifer(insert other evil god of your choosing).
/%(&¤!!! What happened to the thread with 10 questions?!?!
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