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The Omega
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“Some rules can be bend. Others can be broken.”
Morpheus tells Neo this in M1, about how to perform near impossible feats.

In Reloaded Neo enters the Matrix from the Architects room, saves Trinity, stops sentinels and collapses. We’ve accepted that Neo’s mind is still, SOMEHOW, uploaded at the end of Reloaded (The “behind the scenes” thread), but haven’t been able to figure out how Neo stopped the “accursed” machines.

So Morpheus has two options. You can bend the rules of the Matrix. Some rules can be broken. Just as the Architect gives Neo two choices, right door, or left door.
But there is a third alternative (compliments of JediHDM) to the Architects two doors.
Instead of being “Choose Zion, the war ends, the Zionites are all killed, but mankind survives” and “Choose the Matrix, and mankind is eradicated”, Neo has chosen a third path: Return to the Matrix AND end the war.

Because some rules can be bend, some can be broken… and SOME can be rewritten. How this fits in with the stopping of sentinels still eludes me. But I think it may lead to something.
Comments? Thoughts?

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Ushgarak
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That really only takes us to a starting point in the film's philosophy.

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The Omega
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Ush> Not really.
Because this doesn’t ONLY deal with choice “the problem is choice”, or with understanding why a particular choice IS made.
This deals with WHAT is chosen, and what CAN perceivably be chosen.

It’s all part of the attempt to figure out how Neo stopped the sentinels. I don’t subscribe to a MWTM (as that the “the real isn’t real” is old news, namely movie 1), nor to any metaphysical/occult powers, so there must be a rational explanation to what Neo did.

One things is being able to remain up-loaded while in the real world. That’s conceivable through wireless, and how the operators talk to the rebels while they’re in the Matrix.
Another is actually having contact with the machine main-frame, to control sentinels – to short-circuit them in the real world.
Agents can control them. The Architect can. It’s done from the Source. And Neo’s mind (digital self) touched that. But did he bend, break or rewrite the rules that govern the Source?
And how, if “yes”, did that send him to Mobile Avenue?

Oct 22nd, 2003 10:56 PM

Ushgarak
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Omega, actualy, yes, really, it is the film's basic question about free will. You are saying it might be he is given two options and takes a third.

(shrugs)

Not really much to it if that is so.

The rest of what you say is not greatly related to the premise of the thread.

Besides which we know what decision he took, and he took that choice knowing what he is doing. It may be what he was told about that decision is not necessarily so, of course.

Oct 22nd, 2003 10:58 PM

The Omega
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Ush> What I’m asking is if Neo can do more than bend or break the rules. Namely rewrite them.
This deals with given choice with certain consequences, and then “change the rules” of choice and consequence.
Since this could be exactly why Neo can stop the sentinels, the rest of what I say does indeed relate to the title of this thread.

Oct 22nd, 2003 11:03 PM

Ushgarak
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Then, as I say, you are asking about the ramifications of free will which, as I also said, takes us back to a starting point in the film's philosophy, which in somes ways makes Neo the very representation of free will but, apparently, controlled by the machines.

It is entirely possible Neo can re-write rules as such but that does not change the fact that, regardless of what he can do, he actively chose to prioritise Trinity over humanity based not on the knowledge that he was not bound by that choice, but purely by the hope that we was not. So his choice was made- the door back to the Matrix. In the end he could still only chose one or the other and hope the consequences would not be as stated.

Oct 22nd, 2003 11:09 PM

priestjim
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I don't believe that by stopping the sentinels Neo rewrote any code. Just used existing code to stop them. But if he did that then something's wrong. The Architect should have known that he would be able to do it. Why didn't he persuade him to choose something else OR deter him from touching the source. I mean the machine can control of its own resources!

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