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JediHDM
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Architect/SOURCE

At the...BEHEST of Ush, i start this topic about the SOURCE and the Architect... As i was saying, i think that the Architects room is the SOURCE, and that the door is like Neos choice, just as the camera zooming in on and then becoming his choice, When Neo opens the door, he is IN the SOURCE, but it is the Architects room. Neo must willingly, conciously make a choice to enter the SOURCE, knowing the consequences. i feel like im rambling, so i will stop there, and allow for comments...


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but maybe he is led to believe that is the source, therefore, telling morpheus and the crew that the prophecy was wrong...it may not be the true source, just a stop on the road that leads to the source


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no, NEO is told that entering the door to his right will lead to the SOURCE, and Neo figures out that, the Architect is basically using the anomaly to continue the Matrix, he is using the ONE...the ONE is supposed to fight for the humans, but it ends up that he is just the pawn of the Matrix, and THAT is why the prophecy is wrong.


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ohhh, ok, sorry, i get what youre saying now....im not basshing you, but could you quote the prophecy for me and tell me what is untrue? again im not basshing you, i really would like to know....


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oh man...i coulda said it until you asked for it...alright, i gotta check the movie...
"after he died, the Oracle prophesized his return, and that his coming would hail the destruction of the matrix, end the war, bring freedom for his people."

the prophecy is untrue because, like Neo says "the One was never meant to end anything"...now, there are two interpretations to this (the prophecy), either there is ONE, neo, who is meant to end the war, the matrix whereas the other ONES failed, or that the anomaly, the ONE is not meant to be an end to the war, to the matrix, it is just used by the machines to CONTINUE, rather than END, the matrix...this is what Neo was refering to, when he said the one was never meant to end anything


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The obvious interpretation is the second.


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exactly, however, it makes you wonder...they dont always take the "wide path", so...we should keep all possibilities open for now.


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Not following you Jedi. Youre saying that the room is simply the source, yet you confirm that the Architech told him that the door to thr right will lead to the source?

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ok, you know how, each screen shows one of NEO's possible choices, and when Neo makes a choice, it zooms in onto a screen and becomes a part of the screen? well, im saying that the right door is like that, when Neo opens up the door, he is pulled through it and ends up in the same room. The SOURCE.


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Im just gonna stay lost ! hahaha

I really have no clue.

If every time, Neo was to open the door in the right, he'd end up in the same room.. over and over. Are you saying his only choice was the door to the left , or else he'd never get out !!?! lmao

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no, im saying that, Neo must, conciously, knowing the consequences, choose to enter the SOURCE. Neo must know the truth, and he must willingly accept to restart the matrix, thus, when he goes through the right door, he is brought back into the room, however, it is different, because NEO knew the choice, and made it. Then the code is removed and the original is put in its place, and Neo goes through the left door to select from the matrix 23 individuals...


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We already know what the source that they refer to is, it was in Neo's conversation with the Oracle in Reloaded:

Oracle:...and when it does a program can choose to hide here or return to the source.
Neo: The machine mainframe.
Oracle: Yes. Where you must go. Where the path of The One ends.


So, the source would be the root level of the central machine computer system. So the room itself could not be the source - in this sense at least. But it is stated (as Omega informed me) that in ENTER THE MATRIX the Oracle says that Neo's mind touched the source and this is the reason for his coma. Also, the architect says that he is the one who designed the matrix, so he is the source of the programming for that world - which Neo does interact with. (see my posts in the Best evidence thread if you haven't already)

Jedi is right. The prophecy is definitely false. The quote from the movie helps Neo realize this when he realizes that she is the Matrix's "Mother." She and the Keymaker never actually say that they are helping the resistance, but rather that "we are all here to do what we are all here to do." Which is to layout the path for "the One" to follow in order to promote the continuation of the matrix.

So is the architect the source? Of the programming writes, yes, but not the root access that was refereed to. Neither is his room for that matter, I think that has to be a construct outside of the matrix program itself. (again see my posts in Best evidence if you aren't familiar with this argument. stick out tongue)


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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.

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metamorphisis might be the smartest newbie ive seen yet


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That's an interesting theory...

Really. smile


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(The Jedi one, not the noob comment)


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I dont think I'll understand this.

One of the doors leads to the source * rebuilding of Zion with the 23 individuals...
the other door leads back to the Matrix and Trinity and the destruction of Zion with no chance to rebuild.

Neo chooses the door to the Matrix and was threatened that he'd be responsible for the extinction of every human being on the planet.


Now what youre saying isnt clear to me. Neo didnt choose the rebuilding door with the 23 people.

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right.. but the oracle says neos mind touched the source.. so howd he touch the source wihtout taking the door to the right? thats what this is about italian


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Thnx for the...errr...compliment? big grin Appreciated, just keep in mind - I'm only new to this forum!! LoL messed


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You didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it! You're only here to understand why you made it. I would've thought you'd have figured that out by now.

Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you could not wake from that dream?

Who has the time? But then we can never have time if we never take time!

zorro Who was that masked man?!

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OK, so at the end of the movie Neo and Morpheus are debating why theres still a war. They believed going to the source (the room) would end the war and the prophesy would come true. If Neo chose the OTHER door, this would in fact be true... he WOULD have went to the source... and the war would be over...even if temporary. Zion wouldve been destroyed and the whole cycle starts over for another 100 years.

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"after he died, the Oracle prophesized his return, and that his coming would hail the destruction of the matrix, end the war, bring freedom for his people."
thats the prophecy italian...
so it wouldnt come true.. the matrix wouldnt eb destroyed.. the one touching the source was the end of the cycle of control.. starting the cycle over not ending the war and fullfilling the prophecy


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