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Why Is The Smith/ Oracle So Much Stronger???

I have some ideas about why that the oracle smith is so much stronge then the rst of the smiths.......but i want to here some of your opinions.......


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Because the Smith/Oracle has “The Eyes of the Oracle”, that is, the predictive ability. Notice in the final fight between Neo and Smith how hard it is for Neo to HIT Smith?


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thats why the other smiths arent taking part - he 'knows' he will win (or at least thinks he does)

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sure, unfortunatly that does not explain his strength or his ability to fly...........


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He is equal to Neo in power. The Oracle's eyes just give him the advantage of seeing into the future. Besides that, whatever powers Neo has, Smith has them too.

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So howcome when Neo could fly Smith couldnt until he absorbed oracle?

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SMITH IS NEO! EOS!


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quote:
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Because the Smith/Oracle has “The Eyes of the Oracle”, that is, the predictive ability. Notice in the final fight between Neo and Smith how hard it is for Neo to HIT Smith?


I hate to say it Omega- but no, I did not notice that.

Analysis of the fight reveals the complete opposite- Neo scores MANY blows on Smith who scores far fewer back.

Facts do not fit your statement.


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Yes, Neo hits Smith ALOT of times - More so than Smith hitting Neo.. Even in the first few seconds. Will go and watch my *cough* pirate *cough* edition and see how many.


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Neo is a hacker so his mind is able to find "holes" in the simulation as he were in a computer system and he manipulates the Matrix code to stop bullets and fly...Of course, as one of the oldest programs, The Oracle knows the entire Matrix programming, allowing Smith to do the same.

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Ush> Okay, before I bore you to death with martial arts philosophy smile
Do you know of the term "striking from emptiness"??


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Yup, but I really don't see that applying... any advantages Smith had in that fight were nothing to do with predictive power.


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with the people he took over he used their knowledge to use against neo...because it was a collective, he used the collective knowledge to put up a fight...it seems that he also took over other programs, so mabye the knowledge of flight was stumbled across....


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quote:
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So howcome when Neo could fly Smith couldnt until he absorbed oracle?



When is it ever said that he couldn't fly before, just because he chose not to? Perhapts he didn't want to chase after Neo because he'd rather wait until the Matrix is his.


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He was trying to kill Neo and was winning he could've have easily killed him then and there but couldn't because he couldn't fly.

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never could smith have defeated neo as long as neo was trying, it was when he gave up that he was defeated...smith wasnt ever winning until neo began to realize that theres only one way to end it....


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Ush> But it DOES matter (at least that’s how I see it). We learn in Reloaded that Neo, too, has “the sight” now, that he can see The Matrix “without time.” However, the Oracle is far better at this than Neo.
I very much indeed see Smith’s new strength as emanating from the Oracle’s powers “her eyes”. However, Smith is NOT the Oracle, so even if you stick a new ability on an AI, it may not fully utilise the power, if it’s programming is not set for it.
I SAW Smith “winning” the fight. And Neo solely being able to “hit” Smith when striking from “emptiness”. In this context far closer to Nirvana than in the traditional Japanese sense of “Munen muso”, because Neo’s lost Trinity.

As for the physical powers of Smith. By the time the superbrawl takes place, Smith has infected almost all of – if not the entire – matrix. All agents, all exiles included. It’s not one single program that gave him this power, it’s the sum.


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The Oracle Smith was able to assmiulate all the powers he absorbed into him. Don't know if this is true, just a thought.


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good thoughts keep them coming.............

maybe after a while we can combine them to make a definitive answer.....


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When Smith absorbed the Oracle, you saw all the "POWER" effect, like things blowing around and all the Smiths looking in awe while their hair gets blown off of their heads. You didn't see that when he took over any other program, that's why the smiths were looking so crazy. She was a very powerful and dangerous program, even more so than Merv. Smith assimilated all of her powers.

She was like a GOD, only 2nd in command to the Arch, or maybe even equal.

I'm sure that the Oracle, like the Architect, can rewrite the matrix anyway she see's fit. And that's what Smith did, once he took her over. He could change the matrix, and probably even change lines in his own program to give him the ability to match NEO.

The "EYES of the ORACLE" only pertain to the part of her program that is so predictive." But, if she is like a God, or an ADMINISTRATOR program, she could do what she wants, which is why smith could.


I'm sure if the Oracle wanted to fly, she could. She always knew what was going on, and what was going to happen, so why couldn't she fly?

She was always baking cookies. And you can bait your enemy when you appear weak.


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