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Shape Shifter
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Smith calling the Oracle 'mom'

When Smith called the Oracle 'Mom' in Revs, was he referring to her as the mother of the Matrix (courtesy of that bigmouth the architect) or was he saying something else entirely?

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I always thought he was implying that she is the mother of the matrix myself.


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ya i think that all its saying is that she is the "mother of the matrix" as the aechitect says in reloaded


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Personally I agree with all of you. However (just to offer an alternative), I once read a fanfic in which the Oracle created Smith (and all other Agents). I can't remember the title or the author or anything, sorry.

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The Oracle is not Smiddy's mum laughing


although they do have alot in common no expression

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Could have been saying it from that girls point of view, *has forgoten her name* Cause now that her parents are gone the Oracle would be like her mother


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no, because the one to the side was the one that took over Sati...look at the scene again...it is possible that he is talking through one of he people he took over, but i doubt it...


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Just have watched the whole film again, and I recon I was most likely wrong
However the reason why he called her "mom" was because she called him a "Bastard" which means A child born out of wedlock (Fatherless) does it not? So he could be just saying it in responce to that


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that is also very true...it may have been just meant as a retort, a powerful one at that, because, if someone is a bastard, and you are the mother, that makes you even worse off than he...if that makes sense...stick out tongue


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Nonono, i was just wondering because the architect says that the oracle was created (or wahtever) to help understand why the first (?) matrix wasnt working. There were (presumably) agents in the first matrix, so if that is true then how can the oracle be the mother of the agents?


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We've already gone over the reasons why the word Mom was used and it should have answered the question "how can the oracle be the mother of the agents?" the Mother of the Matrix or like Jedi said a retort, a powerful one


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Smith called the Oracle mom as an insult to her insult.

But it has raised a theory that I like to tell.

Thomas means Twin in another language, and since Smith and Neo have a connection, it is implying that Smith and Neo are twins.

Since Smith is a program of the system and so is The One technically, so the Architect and Oracle are Mother and Father of The Virus and The One.

This also implies that the A in Thomas A. Anderson stands for "Agent"

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Woah...getting a little ahead of ourselves, aren't we? Thomas also means doubting or doubter, which is what Mr. Anderson was, a doubter of the system. the Name, Thomas A. Anderson means, Thomas is doubting, A. could be Alpha, as in the first, or the beginning, and Anderson is 'son of man'. Thus, Thomas A. Anderson is, the first, or predominant, doubting son of man. It is also a religious context. Jesus said "I am the Alpha and the Omega" and he was the "Son of Man". I'm not saying that there are not other interpretations, but it is generally accepted that his name is a reflection of who he is, just like Neo, Morpheus, Persephone, Merovingian, etc. Also, if Thomas means Twin, it is possible it is refering to the fact that he is not the first, but he is the same.


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What he said. Bear with me this is prolly gonna be a looooooong post.

Persephone: Goddess of the soul and spring. She was married to Hades against her will (Some say this is not so, that Persephone married Hades to escape her mothers scrutiny). Later her mother (Demeter) Refused to let the crops grow until her daughter was returned. But Persephone had eaten the food of Hades (Pomegranate seeds) and forever afterwards would have to spend four months of the year at Haides side. Some irony here, as we find out in Reloaded that Persephone had once loved the Merv, but over time her love had waned for him.

Mervovingian - are an old french dynasty who claimed to be directly descended from Jesus.


Morpheus: Called the God of Dreams -

King Sleep was father of a thousand sons - indeed a tribe - and of them all, the one he chose was Morpheus, who had such skill in miming any human form at will. No other Dream can match his artistry in counterfeiting men: their voice, their gait, their face - their moods; and, too, he imitates
their dress precisely and the words they use most frequently. But he mimes only men…

Trinity is often referred to as the holy trinity

We all know what Neo actually means in the movie, but it is also the greek word for ‘new’

Cypher also means zero, definetly some irony here, because Neo is the one then this makes Cypher ‘The Zero’, the two numbers (1&0) binray number systems used by computers. Both Cypher and Neo are opposites in ‘the Matrix’, as they are both working towards different goals. Also (and I’m not much into studying the bible or stuff like that) but Cypher wears a sweater that has a hole over his heart which means that

As you can see for the parts of many of the cast the wachowski bros actually thought of what names they should use, before they threw the film together. And there are a few more meanings but for some reason I deleted that page from my site…


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In reference to the "mom" thing.

I have said this in another thread recently. The Oracle's job is to unbalance the equation, whereas The Architect tries to balance it. So if 'Smith' WAS created by the Oracle, then that would mean she is trying to unbalance the equation. Wonder who (or the code that he carries) the Architect created then wink


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In reference to the "mom" thing.

I have said this in another thread recently. The Oracle's job is to unbalance the equation, whereas The Architect tries to balance it. So if 'Smith' WAS created by the Oracle, then that would mean she is trying to unbalance the equation. Wonder who (or the code that he carries) the Architect created then wink


Didn't think of it that way but you have a point as always Sifer


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When Neo called Oracle's name in front of the Architect when he was talking about the Mother of the Matrix then what did the Artichect mean by saying "Please...". ???


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When Neo called Oracle's name in front of the Architect when he was talking about the Mother of the Matrix then what did the Architect mean by saying "Please...". ???

He meant that although he considered her to be the mother of the matrix, he did not consider her to be an Oracle just an intuitive program originally designed to investigate certain aspects of the Human psyche.

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But the mother of the matrix and that "just intuitive program" originally designed to investigate certain aspects of human psyche is one and the same thing as long as i remember.


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