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Superfly4000
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Religion & The MAtrix

I do not study religion, nor am I an expert in History. The MAtrix movies obviousely use references from religiouse texts and historical texts. An exampole of this is Zion. I would like to know what Zion is both in religion and history. embarrasment

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JediHDM
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Zionism, was a movement in the 19th and 20th centuries whose sole purpose/desire was the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine, the original land of Canaan. there are also numerous sites, etc. named 'Zion'

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=zion

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these are some of the religious similarities i can find (through characters):

Neo is like Jesus
Oracle is like God
Smith is like the Anti-Christ
The Architect is like Satan
The Crew of the Nebucadnezzar is like the Apostles

Aug 19th, 2004 02:20 AM

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JediHDM
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*Sigh*...

Ok, Neo is like jesus, yes, they are similar, but they are also very different. The Oracle and the Architect can be considered different aspects of God. The Merovingian is not Satan, but Hades. As for the crew being like the Apostles, yes, they were martyred, but not for Neo, just because Cypher was a turncoat.

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Aug 19th, 2004 04:23 AM

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Yes, I have Noticed many similarities between the MAtrix and Mythology. For instance, the Merovingian mentions the fates in Revelutions when speaking to Saraph. Isn't there an Oracle in mythology as well?

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Aug 19th, 2004 04:28 PM

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JediHDM
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Well, there actually were Oracles in history, the most prominant being the Oracle at Delphi, where a priestess would basically get high and 'talk' with Apollo, relaying his messages to the populace and answering their questions.

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Aug 19th, 2004 06:04 PM

Superfly4000
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I saw a documentary about the Oracle of Delphi. It was fun to learn that the Oracle of Delphi actually had a sign that said "Know thy self"...

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Aug 19th, 2004 09:53 PM

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Are there any basic Religions in Zion such as Christianity, or Islam? It seems like they worship Neo as a God...

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Aug 22nd, 2004 08:01 PM

JediHDM
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not that i know of...i mean, there is the temple at the base of the city, however, i have not seen anything resembling an organized religion except for the beads and such. I do not know if there is Christianity or another religion that is organized like we have, though.

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Aug 22nd, 2004 10:41 PM

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Many of the characters say the name "Jesus" throught all of the films. At least they know of his existance. Unless Religion was a form of controll made by the machines...

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Aug 23rd, 2004 12:15 AM

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yeah, but think of it this way...the matrix is a simulation of real life...so they took what we had from 1999 and kept it that way...there was most definately religion in the matrix, and so i think that the people that were free knew full well about Jesus and christianity and other religions...however, i dont think that them saying Jesus has anything to do with their religious affiliation. I know plenty of people who are of other religions and say "Jesus Christ" as a curse all the time...As for religion being a control- i doubt it...the machines would have no understanding of believing in an entity that is beyond human comprehension...so i dont think they'd try to harness it. However, they do use some aspects of religion for personal benefit. Some exiles choose the form of an angel (as stated by the oracle) so there are some matricized religious aspects.
i dont know if i made a point...but thats all i had to say

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The machines don't have to comprehend religion in order use it as a form of control. They cannot comprehend the annomaly and yet they use it to there benefit...

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Aug 23rd, 2004 12:33 AM