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bogmac
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The Reasons why there is only One Matrix
1 - In the case of a second Matrix, it was unecessary to make Neo collapse. He collapses because stopping the machines in the real world need too much energy.
He can stop the machines because he was, in a way, 'infected' by smith : The electrical impulsions of his brain were melted with the code of smith. So, in a way he can talk with robot
2 - In the matrix Neo can see the future, he detect agents arrival etc ... why ? He does not 'feel' the arrival, but he read the code. When you read the code of a program you can see what is going to happen.
In a case of a second Matrix, he could read the code and tell his friends 'hey guy, we're not in the real world and so on ...
but, in the last scene he feels the machines and doesn't read the code
3 - What about Bane ? It doesn't mean anything. As a program, Smith/Bane can't believe that is in the coma. I don't think he can be tricked. The truth is that Smith infected Bane's brain, and after the attack, Bane's in the coma with Neo.
I don't want to eliminate possibilities but I find that the idea of melting human brains with programs giving power to Neo to control the machines is very, very, very, very,very,very,very,... strong as an element of the screenplay.
I love this idea.
Seems to me that some guys won't agree with this. waiting for their ideas on the subject
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Jun 2nd, 2003 08:48 PM |
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evilelvis
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yer ur right about the won't agree part becus if u had seen a clip from enter the matrix, it shows the oracle telling some guy about how she had to tell neo somin she was not ment to. this made him realise somthing to help develop powers outside the matrix.
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Jun 2nd, 2003 10:14 PM |
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turin
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what the heck does that clip have to do with anything? perhaps it even prooves bogmacs point even more. there is no way that the real world is another matrix. bogmac covers it pretty well, but Neo sees in code, hence if zion was a matrix he would see the code and realize it. second every person Smith infects looks like Smith, except Bane, why not bain? because he is in the real world. hope i didnt sound rude, i just feel that the evidence clearly prooves one matrix.
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Jun 2nd, 2003 10:45 PM |
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BEST TRINITY
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IF THERE 2 WHY THE AGENT IN M1 WAS SO HURRY TO GET THE CODE FROM ZION MAIFRAME
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Jun 3rd, 2003 12:22 AM |
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BEST TRINITY
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IF THEY CAN MOVED THROGHT THE MATRIX WHY THEY CANT IN REAL WORLD??
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Jun 3rd, 2003 12:23 AM |
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JediHDM
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Starting with Bane not looking like smith, the program is designed that the residual self image is loaded into the Matrix. Smith infected Bane's residual self image, effectively killing Bane's mind and replacing it with himself, but in the Matrix, Bane WAS Smith. When Smith picked up the phone, he was uploaded into Bane, but he wasn't uploaded AS Bane. As for why the Agents cannot move through Zion, it is because they do not have a body to be loaded into. The equivalent of an agent, in Zion, is a Sentinel. The Sentinels, at the same time that Agents are trying to learn the codes to the Zion mainframe, are searching for the location of Zion. If Zion were not another program, another method of control, it wouldn't matter how much of Neo had been rewritten by Smith. If your mind is infected by a program, it may enhance his abilities in the Matrix, but it would be unable to allow him to stop four Sentinels in the real world. As for the code, Neo couldn't see the code of the Matrix until after he had thrown all pre-concieved notions about the Matrix out the window, and had become the one. Maybe, the problem is not Neo being the One in the Matrix. Maybe the problem is that no one else has realized that the One must be the One in everything he touches, and that no one has been able, thus far, to make his mind believe that the machines may have thought more in depth than realized.
Have you ever heard of "Situational awareness"? it is crucial to the longevity of fighter pilots, as it allows them to know, more or less, where everyone is at the same time. This, coupled with the Neo/Smith fight scene, is the strongest evidence i can think of right now, that neo can feel his opponents. When Neo is fighting Smith, He knows exactly where to punch, kick, jump, hit with rod, etc. If he were reading the code of Smith, he would have to look at all of them, to know what each was going to do. How does Neo look at the doors right as Smith runs through them? He feels them coming. Neo does not have to read the code to knowwhat is happening. Real-world ex. When you meet someone, assuming of course that you do meet people, do you read their code to find out what kind of person they are? No, you do not. You have to feel them out, get to know them. The same is true with Neo. Just because Neo looks at the code before talking to the Merovingian does not prove that he reads the code of everything he encounters.
<oracle telling some guy about how she had to tell neo somin she was not ment to. this made him realise somthing to help develop powers outside the matrix.>
As for this, this is more evidence for Zion being a program. What powers does Neo have, that are not connected to a program? none. Therefore it logically follows that, if neo is to develop powers outside the Matrix, then whatever 'outside the matrix' is must be another program.
If you go and read 'Revolutions Predictions', i explain my theory for a duality of programs at length. As always, if you have any objections, post 'em.
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Aug 28th, 2003 11:55 AM |
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Sifer
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JediHDM It doesn't HAVE to be another Matrix at all. The so called evidence in your other post doesn't actually prove anything in the slightest.
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Aug 28th, 2003 04:47 PM |
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JediHDM
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what is your explanation, since you are so quick to judge? technically, none of us know the truth, we are just looking at flickering shadows on a wall. I may be right, you may be right, we may both be wrong, but i can think of no other configuration for the evidence before me.
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Aug 28th, 2003 08:15 PM |
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