The Matrix is conected to the Bible in two possible ways eaither Neo himself is God, or that God is does not exsit which is what I believe. Towards the end of The Matrix Neo meets the architect who seems to have painted himself out as God. But in all probabillity he is just the old man who created the AI to take over the human spieces and and allow him to proclaim himself God over those who are trapped in The Matrix. Neo may not be The One so to speak in this case he may just be an embodiment of the human spirit to push those who fight to continue and believe that the war will end. What if all this time the Bible was all just a lie and God himself was the evil which enslaved the human race.
As for your question Morpheous there are several references in the Matrix about the bible. The whole Trinity thing...the resemblece between Neo and Jesus...and my fave...Smith:
"Near the beginning of the film, Agent Smith drives up in an Audi with the license plate "IS 5416". This appears to be yet another Bible reference -- Isaiah Chapter 54, Verse 16 reads as follows: "Behold, I have created the SMITH that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy." (Capitals are for emphasis). "
Thats form the Matrix trivia. I don't doubt it's true but you never know. If someone knows the Bible...
Morpheus> The Matrix movies are connected to the Bible in the same way they’re connected to countless other religious texts and stories.
Neo can be seen as a Christian Messiah or a Hindi/Buddhist boddhisathva, a person who achieves enlightenment and realizes that the world is an illusion. Or as an Islamic prophet of a god, who fights injustice.
The Oracle is a Greek mythology-figure, so are Persephone and Morpheus. Osiris is the name of the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld, Gnosis means insight knowledge, Logos means logic, The Hammer is a reference to the old norse God of thunders, Thors hammer…
There are also non-religious references. Neos room number in M1 is 101. That was the number on the door in George Orwells 1984, where people would be sent to be tortured and brainwashed into believing something that isn’t real. The white rabbit is from Alice in Wonderland, Merovingian was the name of an ancient line of French kings.
One of the many themes in Matrix is actually (like we see with the God=Architecht, a reference to Freemasons who call god the Great Architect) that religion is another system of control. Quite a stroke of genius
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Omega> Actually the word logos - from greek - means the Word, mostly connected with the biblical Word of God. And there is - I think - a hole lot more to the name of merovingian than just the line of kings. Which connects them to the beginning of the Masonry or Tectonic orders.
there are way to many matrix-bible parallel threads
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the matrix might be a direct quote from the book of Armaments. Chapter 3 verses 2-120:....
"...and the lord did grin, and there was a great feast upon the lambs, orangutangs, fruit bats, and breakfast cereals..."
theres more in there but it like totally opened my eyes! wow!
actually idont think theres any connection between the bible and the matrix, its just another thing forum-folk like to over look into...thank ye
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N2m0> Nope, logos is logic. What some religious people have made it into, doesn’t change that fact. And be free to reveal to everyone what more there was to Merovingian.
Nickjs21> I still don’t understand why anyone connects Neo to the Christian Messiah. In what way is there a connection? Neo has far more in common with a Hindi/Buddhist boddhisathva or the Muslim prophet than the Christian son of a god.
Just to mention one example: Neo is not supposed to be the son of anyone. The prophecy of a man who’ll come and set things right is not something Christianity has a monopoly on.
Secondly: What is it Neo does in M1? He realizes the truth: That the real world is an illusion. That is exactly what Buddha did. Furthermore Neo is a warrior, which is what Muhammed was. Jesus didn’t realize any truths nor did he fight for his people.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Ah Choi says something like: "Man you're my savior(sp). My own personal Jesus Christ!" (or something like that)
He dies and ressurects (sp).
The hole being the savior thing.
But most religions go around the same thing, they just change the names
Kes> Choi said that, when Neo handed him over his dose of program-drugs. Just like I named you my personal deity, after you showed a particularly fantastic picture of Keanu Reeves (no, doubt ).
Bane says “Oh, God” just before Smith infects him. I don’t think anyone has argued that Smith is any kind of divinity (or am I missing a thread? )
Trinity dies in Reloaded and is Resurrected. No one claims SHE’s Jesus Christ either.
And actually: What happened to Neo in M1 bears more resemblance to the old fairy tales “Sleeping Beauty” and “Snowhite” where someone is resurrected by a kiss though love.
Mohammed was a savior, too. And he fought for his people, Jesus didn’t! But it is true, that most religions are based off of the same kind of universal story, that once upon a time explained the workings of the world. I just think some people miss the big picture if they don’t open any other books that just one. The Matrix is far deeper than just one book, myth or religion.
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
Yeh but if you notice his conversation (sp) with Choi and his boss it says a lot about the Matrix. I think that one is on pourpose.
Neo brings her back she doesn't come back on her own. True Trinity kisses Neo and he wakes but (it could be a reference to Sleeping beauty just like there are references to Alice in wonderland) but in reality she doesn't do anything to start his heart. But thats my point of view
omega, don't get me wrong. i agree, there's oodles of different directions the matrix references go in. that link just summed up all the parallel's one could find b/w matrix and christianity, one particular reference. i'm sure there's a site pointing out buddhist similarities. and i recognize them all. it's just that, y'know, this thread is specific.
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Neodragon>In that context “logy” means knowledge.
Biology=knowledge of life
Geology=Knowledge of Earth. NOT story, where on Earth (speaking of said planet) did you conjure that peculiar idea?
__________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
-Voltaire
"That includes ruining Halloween because someone swallowed a Bible."
"I just thought you were a guy."
"... Most guys do."
All right Omega. If indeed you did read the site that Nick provided us.. did you take in anything from it and say "NOPE! That's completly wrong." Can you say that Neo in a Christian Jesus sence and the buddist sence are being applied in the movie in different ways, but not one more than the other? Or are you just completly fixated on what you beleive is true in your mind and not willing to have an open mind.
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How Is The Matrix Connected To The Bible.
Jul 18th, 2003 03:10 AM
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