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What about this
"Zion is a program, just like the Matrix. How is Neo able to figure out that he is able to stop the sentinels in Zion near the end of the film? The spoon given to him earlier. It had obviously been bent loads, but how outside the Matrix?? This gave Neo the inspiration and the understanding that Zion is still a matrix.
The One explained "The One" is a program, but has to be "attached" to someone in the Matrix. So Mr. Anderson got it in the 6th version of the Matrix. Then "The One" program's purpose is to allow Zion to be destroyed then to rebuild it. The reason for this is because of anomalies - the 1% of humans that don't accept the Matrix.
These are all brought out of the Matrix program andintothe Zion program by the "Morpheus" program and other similar "ship captain" programs. Then once all the anomalies are out of the Matrix (and in Zion), that is the time for Zion to be destroyed, thus killing all the anomalies off. The Matrix is then upgraded, thus creating the next version of the Matrix, but Zion must be rebuilt so that the next lot of anomalies can be brought out again so that they can be destroyed. This is the feedback-loop, and is the reason to retain a handful of people so that Zion can be rebuilt. So this is why Neo said the prophecy was a lie - the One's purpose was not to end the war as the prophecy stated.
Unfortunately, "The One" program must be re-used each time, or copied, so it can be "attached" to a new anomaly inside the Matrix. So what happens to the old "The One" program? It faces deletion, and as the Oracle explained, it goes into exile instead, just like the French bloke (the Merovingian) did. He was the first One (probably from the second version of the Matrix), and once he fulfilled his duty, he became an exile program and "abdicated" his "Oneness" by choosing Persephone and power. This is evident in the bogs when Persephone asks Neo to kiss her. She says she wants him to kiss her so she can feel what it is like again to be kissed by something close to human, just like the Merovingian used to be. Then she says to Trinity that she envies her, but that these things are not meant to last. So the Merovingian used to be just like Neo - a One - thus proving further the feedback-loop explained earlier.
The correct door in the Architect's room Now there are two possibilities here: 1. All the previous One's chose the right door allowing a ?temporary dissemination? of their code into the Matrix (i.e., the code they ?carry? thus indicating Neo is indeed human), then he must select (unplug) 23 people from the Matrix to rebuild Zion. This takes away the possibility that stories from previous rebuilds of Zion will be carried through. But Morpheus indicated in the first Matrix that this is the case anyway. He said, ?there was a man born inside, able to change things, it was he who freed the first of us,? - basically the One previous to Neo. And this proves that the previous One chose the right door also. Neo's purpose is also to choose the right door, but he does not because he faces deletion afterwards and has the choice of going into exile - programs choosing to go into exile is the one thing that can't be accounted for in program parameters. Thus, he chooses the left door instead this time.
How was Neo able to choose the other door? Because of his extreme willpower? - Even the Architect indicated that he'd noticed this ? ?Interesting. That was quicker than the others.? Or more likely, because the Oracle upgraded his coding with the candy on the park bench. The candy/cookie was a method to change the One's program. She said he has made a believer out of her - this is quite human-like and perhaps the previous One's didn't accept the upgrade candy, now she has hope... hope that Neo will finally choose the other door.
2. All the previous One's chose the left door, saving Trinity and letting Zion fall. So this time is no different. But the Architect does say, ?You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated,? and also, ?this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it,? - assuming the Architect isn't lying, then they have already destroyed Zion (i.e., Zion has fallen) five times - i.e., the result of going through the left door. Morpheus and Trinity are programs. Morpheus's purpose was to find the One and deliver him to the Architect. Trinity's purpose is to control the One by getting in love with him. Trinity is supposed to be the mother of the new One every time the Matrix is Reloaded. That's why the sex scene was so important and why she was named Trinity.
The Architect says, ?she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.? He was correct though because she did die just like Neo did in the first Matrix (Oracle said he or Morpheus would, and she didn't lie, but he came back to life). Trinity dies, but comes back to life (we are using medical definition of death in all this of course!). The Architect has already laid down an ultimatum for Neo choosing the left door: The Architect ? ?Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.? Neo ? ?You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.? The Architect - ?There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.? Looking at this further, the Architect does say ?coupled? with the extermination of Zion will the human race be exterminated. So he says everyone connected to the Matrix will die, but if Zion is not exterminated, the human race will not necessarily die.
Also, there is likely to be a time-window between not going through the right door, and the cataclysmic crash, thus allowing Neo to unplug as many as possible from the Matrix, then those people won't die. This will be the start of the next Zion. As for the Matrix, a cataclysmic crash doesn't mean the end of the Matrix - just needs rebooting or reloading!
Agent Smith explained Agent Smith is the only ?human? in this world. He's the one spreading himself like a virus replicating himself over and over until the Matrix will finally get overloaded and fail. Smith is the one who wants to get out of the Matrix for good. He said so in the first Matrix, ?I must get out of here, I must get free! And in this mind, is the key,? squeezing Morpheus's temples, ?my key! Once Zion is destroyed, there is no need for me to be here!? Smith knows that by killing Neo he can escape the Matrix because Neo is the key to resetting the Matrix, or to shut it off. It was originally killing Neo (in the first Matrix) that allowed Smith to become powerful (cloning ability) - so killing Neo again will allow him to gain Neo's powers completely, and thus gain the power to shut down the Matrix.
So where the hell did Smith come from if he wants to destroy the Matrix? He's obviously not meant to be there - he's a computer virus as he has every characteristic of a virus - he multiplies and spreads and infects (and emulates) other programs like one. He is exactly as he described humans at the end of the first Matrix ? ?You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus.?
But who put him there? This will only be revealed in Revolutions (Revelations?) I guess - but I'm betting on humans in the real real world, i.e., outside of Zion and the Matrix. They're at war with the machines and trying to destroy them by infecting them with this virus - Agent Smith. So the irony with this theory is that Agent Smith represents the human race!! Neo represents the machines! Agent Smith says to Neo just after he's seen the Oracle that he became free when Neo destroyed him in the first Matrix (remember when Neo entered his body and exploded him from inside out) ? as a virus, Smith has the ability to ?inherit? other programs? abilities and thus inherited some of Neo?s.
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schuhss
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the end
The anomaly is all the humans that do not accept the Matrix. The Architect says ?Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control.?
This includes Neo, but Neo's Matrix avatar is attached with the One program so that he can follow his purpose as explained earlier under ?The One explained?. However, he is also supposed to protect himself and destroy anything that gets in his way - i.e., Agent Smith - so that he may fulfil his purpose. Further proving Neo - and other non- accepters of the Matrix - are the anomaly, the Architect says, ?Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix.? The clue here is Neo's program name ? ?The One?. Take one-third for example. 1 over 3 is 0.33333 recurring. A computer cannot deal with recurring numbers, so must accept a limit, let's say 0.33333 for argument's sake. Multiply by 3, you get 0.99999 - never 1.00000, where has the ?remainder? 0.00001 (One) gone? This is the limitation of computers, this is the mathematical imprecision inherent in programming (of the Matrix) and the eventuality of the One anomaly unable to be eliminated.
What is the equation then? Not sure, but it definitely involves pi. The Keymaker refers to the window of time to open the door to the mainframe as 314 seconds. 3.14 is pi to three sig. figs., or the number of radians in half a circle. Half a circle is like the cross-section of a womb, similar to the alcove of Neo and Trinity's love scene - conceiving the next One? "NEO", incidently, is an anagram of "ONE". Trinity and Neo - one on one; a choice - one or one. Leads us to 101. "101" is mentioned numerous times in Matrix 1 and Reloaded. Neo's room at the beginning, Merovingian is on the 101st floor, the 101 freeway of the car chase in Reloaded, then when Trinity is hacking into the power plant system, she resets the password to Z10N0101. Freaky. Indicates that she is a program because that's not some random password she's put in. 101 is binary for 5, which in zero-based binary counting: 000 is 1, 001, is 2, 010 is 3, 011 is 4, 100 is 5, 101 is 6 - And this is the 6th version of the Matrix! Then there's 303. 303 is the room Neo got shot in Matrix 1, the Oracle lives in room 303, it's also the hotel room number Trinity is in Matrix 1 and it's seen at the end when Neo fights the Agents and Smith and begins to literally see the code that makes up the Matrix. 101 x 3 = 303, a trilogy, 3 + 0 + 3 = 6 = the 6th Matrix. Trinity means 3.
Who is the "mother" that the Architect refers to? The Architect says, ?Please,? in an almost disapproving sense when Neo suggests the Oracle, but does not reveal who it really is or even directly that Neo is wrong. The architect was the one who created the Matrix; the co-creator is neither Persephone nor the Oracle. Both of them are only programs that have a purpose in the matrix, just like the rest. The Architect is in charge of the Matrix world and the co-creator is in charge of Zion. She has almost the same age as the Architect. Therefore, that woman is the Head Counsellor, the only woman of importance that lives in Zion and the one who asked for the two captains to volunteer at the council meeting. She's the one who knew all along about the Matrix. She was the one who told Zion's Defence Minister to cool off and to let Morpheus do his work so things could go as planned. Or alternatively, it could indeed be the Oracle. She is the only program that truly wants humans to have a free choice... at the same time, she sees the future, because she knows the program code - she is like God - which is why Seraph protects her - see ?Who is Seraph?? below.
What's so special about Neo's avatar? Neo is a skilled hacker, and his avatar in the Matrix is based on the person that founded the AI of the original machines that eventually took over the world... How? Take a look at the disc he gave to the bloke at the door at the beginning of Matrix 1. It said ?DISC AI? on it. The hollowed book Neo takes the disc out of is ?Simulacra and Simulation? - a collection of essays by the French postmodernist philosopher Jean Baudrillard. He opens it to the section ?on Nihilism? (meaning nothing is truly known, etc.). ?Baudrillard's concept of simulation is the creation of the real through conceptual or 'mythological' models which have no connection or origin in reality. The model becomes the determinant of our perception of reality--the real.?
And Morpheus says, "Welcome to the desert of the real," in Matrix 1. I'd say this book describes The Matrix to a tee. So this disc contains the key to the AI, and thus how to destroy the machines, so I think they'll use this info in Revolutions to ultimately destroy the machines, which means he'll have to go back to the nightclub and find the guy he gave it to.
Who is Seraph? The reason Seraph (the guy Neo meets before meeting the Oracle) had golden code and was so spectacular is that he came from the first incarnation of the matrix, which was heaven. ?Seraph? is singular for the plural ?seraphim?. The seraphim are the highest choir of angels and included amongst others: Lucifer, Gabriele, Raziel and Malaciah, and they sit on the 8th level of Heaven just one below God. So Seraph will obviously have a big part in Revolutions, but whose side will he be on - the machines or the humans?? That is the question.
The Twins are exiled programs that emulate the human myth of ghosts as the Oracle explained. They are programs behaving badly. Persephone killed one of the Merovingian?s bodyguards with a silver bullet because he was emulating a werewolf. So if the Twins could phase into ghost form, why didn't he when his arm was trapped in the door of the garage? Was it because he was wounded or because he can't phase when his arm is trapped? No of course not. The doors of that building, when shut, always led somewhere else (usually in the mountains) when opened again without the Keymaker's key. So if it were slammed shut due to the Twin phasing into ghost form, the Twin's arm would've ended up god knows where, but certainly not attached to the Twin's body."
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whiterider
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dont write so much,
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:06 PM |
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:09 PM |
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whiterider
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i cant read that much, can you like recap it for me in a shorter example or somethin. if you dont mind
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:13 PM |
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I agree with most of the stuff, as it sounds as if it could be true, except for the agent smith part. Agent smith being a virus inserted by the humans sounds like bullshit. He's just an agent that was destroyed, but chose exile instead of deletion (hence why he showed up at the place the oracle was hiding) and because he's now a 'rogue exile' he's no longer under the 'rules and boundaries' of the system, so he can do whatever he likes (i.e. copying himself like a virus).
Anyway the rest of the stuff sounds acceptable....it was a lot to read though :P
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:28 PM |
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whiterider
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wow that was very detailed, so what you kind of sayin is that neo is a machine 
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:30 PM |
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one question, schuss. how did you figure this out.
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:35 PM |
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seroth sujizero
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how 'bout he just thought about it for a long time...you know...that's what most people do when they figure things out...they think 
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:40 PM |
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whiterider
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it would take a lot of thought, to much for me, and you just shut you mouth. i havent had anything to eat yet so, im not really awake yet ya know.
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Aug 8th, 2003 04:43 PM |
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seroth sujizero
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well it's not my fault you haven't had anything to eat yet
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Aug 8th, 2003 05:58 PM |
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Ouchu *frrrzt* So much text...
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Aug 9th, 2003 12:18 AM |
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whiterider
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hello is he saying that neo is a machine or somethin like that or a program? 
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Aug 9th, 2003 12:23 AM |
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i thought we already knew that neo was a machine?
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Aug 9th, 2003 12:57 AM |
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Ikobe
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*sighs* Neo is *NOT* a machine otherwise all the Agents would be constantly taking him to strip joi- uh... Neo is not a machine.
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Aug 9th, 2003 01:01 AM |
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whiterider
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ok calm down would ya
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Aug 9th, 2003 01:35 AM |
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umm...what's with this nonsense?
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Aug 9th, 2003 01:55 AM |
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if i read it correctly (and i did read all of it), whiterider, neo is not machine. but "the one" is a program attached to neo. it's confusing, and unfortunately he can't recap it all because you need every word of it to grasp.
ok, some questions of my own, schuhss:
1) where, exactly, did you get this? i don't believe it's your own work. first, it begins and ends with quotes. second, certain lines ("the correct door in the architect's room") are clearly headings that were probably in a different font or something until you copy/pasted it.
2) why is trinity's name an indication of her role as mother of the next one? trinity doesn't even come close to having anything to do with a maternal concept.
3) all that shit with the math, starting with pi and ending with 303, is by far the biggest stretch i have ever heard in a matrix theory.
4) scratch that, the shit about the AI disk and neo having to find choi just dethroned all that math stuff.
you have to admit, it was fun to read at first. seemed pretty intriguing. then it just went to hell.
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Aug 9th, 2003 05:52 AM |
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schuhss
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Hey calm down...
I found this stuff on another forum but I was not allowed to post the link...
Even if some points might seemed far fetched the guy who wrote this has made a big job. I think it is one of the best stuff I have read about Matrix and such an explanation would satisfy me more than any of the shitty spoilers I have read until know.
I think it makes sense except for trinity and her being the mother of the one even if the "sex scene" (lol) should be important for the rest of the story if we consider its length and the way it is filmed.
About Smith I like the way it is described, like the irony of it, even if the other solution, smith chosing exile is simpler and so should be prefered (ockham's razor).
For the math stuff I think it is not so bad, ok the part of the womb is bullshit, but the part on Pi, 101 and 303 I think is nice. Do any of you have a better explanation for the these number being reccurent in the movie?
By the way do you know where I can find other interesting theories about Matrix.
Sorry for the poor quality of my english.
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Aug 9th, 2003 01:06 PM |
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schuhss
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I forgot to say that the weakest point of this theory is that it doesn't seem to fit with the trailer of Revolutions...
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Aug 9th, 2003 01:09 PM |
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