Time to start the debate. Yes, Spiderman did indeed suck. The acting was cheesy and terrible, the costumes (especially the Goblin's) were awful, and the storyline had no conflict at all. Just a formulaic piece of crap. And yet, it made a lot of money...*sigh*
And you obviously don't know english when you write it. Learn to spell and use grammar, and THEN come and talk to me. And next time, write some decent points. I did, and I'll say them again. The movie was as cheesy, if not more, than Batman and Robin.
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Don't even go there with that Batman and Robin crap... Batman and Robin was a travesty. Obviously the Green Goblin didn't look like that in the comic books, but it's a reinactment. William Dafoe (sp?) played a great homicidal maniac...my only complaint was Kirsten Dunst as MJ, but oh well. I think your expectations from comic to movie are extremely unrealistic and that you either need to get a life or loosen up a bit. Now if you wanna talk about a shitty movie...talk about Daredevil because that was a terrible movie. A black King Pin...that'll be the day. And if you're of the opinion that Spiderman was such a bad movie...then what would you do differently?
You guys are ALL Trolling. Spider-Man was the best comic book movie EVER, hands down. Goblin looked like he was a villain and not a holloween leftover like the comic. If William Dafoe had come out in a stocking, the movie would've bombed... it's a RETARDED Costume in the comics... this one looked like something cooked up by corporate america (which cooks up cheesy stuff all the time)... comic books are cheesy! What are you looking for? Face-Off? And Formulaic? It's the Spider-Man story, it's been done before, duh!
Daredevil had a TON of great parts, sure, they didnt' flow together well, but it had a bunch of really great sequences... it wasn't perfect, but it didn't SUCK... and Kinpin was much cooler being Black (fill in the blank: "that'll be the day _________" what? I don't get the complaint?)
And Batman and Robin was... well... it had something right... can't remember what it was though... REGARDLESS: The Worst Comic book movie by FAR Was Generation X, followed closesly by Howard the Duck and Fantastic Four (Corman version)... yeah... Batman and Robin simply wasn't (not even kinda) for comic fans...
I'm prepared for pointless debate, fellas... bring it...
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Children! children! spiderman had to follow such a cult following it was impossible for it to live up to everyones expectations but in the end the story is now set and maybe the sequel will blow me away *fingers crossed*
Spiderman had just as many bad parts as good parts. I'm not a big fan of spiderman so i didn't really enjoy the movie but what we must remember is this movie was sort of like the 'Origin' movie, showing who the characters were, how spidey got his powers and all that, just like X men 1 was but look at X2, its amazing! We know the characters and their powers from the first movie so there was more time for a better story, better action, better.....everything so i can confidently say that the next movie is gonna be a blast and i'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be even betterm just like X2.
Again, I say to you, the acting was utter crap. Willem Dafoe sounded like a bad Joker impersonator, and the amount of cheese in that mirror scene "shudder." The opening sequence was good, where we saw his origin, but after that it was just a rehash of crap that's been in every superhero movie ever made. The Goblin looked like a power ranger villain. Kirsten Dunst couldn't act. The "lord's prayer" scene, which was supposed to be one of the freakiest in the movie, was hilarious it was so bad. Aunt May did a decent enough job playing a stock character, I suppose, as did Uncle Ben. Normy Osborn tried to do dark and tortured way too much and ended up looking like Keanu Reeves in the Matrix- AKA about as animated as a piece of wood. And then there's Tobey-who reminded me more of Harry Potter than Spider-man.
Now, I ask, what could we have expected? The movie was done by Sam Raimi. His movies are renowned for being campy piles of crap-and they're SUPPOSED to be that way. The Evil Dead series, Darkman, and lots of other are hilarious because they're so bad. And made to be so bad. He took everything he'd learned from those movies and applied it to Spider-man, even the cameo by Bruce Campbell. Except this movie was not SUPPOSED to be funny, it's supposed to be at least in some way dramatic. Raimi kinda failed on that regard.
I will admit, Doctor Octopus looks freakin cool for the second movie. But that doesn't mean the movie will be good-it'll probably be as crap as the first.
Daredevil had everything right to be a decent movie, so I'm not sure what went wrong. Maybe it was the amount of times they ripped off the Crow. Either way, it ended up only slightly better than Spider-man.
If you want a good comic book movie, go watch X-men or X-2. End.
Dafoe is a genoius, man! He was insane! How can't you see it man! look in his eyes on the mirror scene, he was soooo cripy... you can't look in his eyes and tell me he wasn't crazy, man! Tobey was too geeky for ya! HA! Peter Parker's not SUPPOSED to be cool, man!
(to be really honest, I thought the Lord's prayers scene was pretty, uh, pointless, I didn't know it was supposed to be dramatic or anything... if I had, I woudla been dissappointed )
And Daredevil went wrong when they didn't LINK scenes together... it had no FLOW man... the scenes had no common reason for existing it just jumped from place to place and 'oh! Bullseye's over here' and 'Oh! Electra's over here' and it didn't quite hit the spot...
DD pales in comparison to Spider-Man cuz for everything DD did cool Spider-Man did something even cooler... even down to backflipping from shurkin/broken glass/goblin slicers...
Responding...watching that scene for the first time, I thought, "wow, that was an interesting piece of melodrama. Dafoe did a great job of making his character look totally unbelievable." And because it was a Raimi movie, that's what I went in expecting. But then, people kept talking about how great of an acting job it was, and I realized he had meant it to be believable.
And it wasn't that Parker was too geeky. Parker wasn't geeky enough. Mary Jane would TALK to him for God's sake. That's not supposed to happen. No, the problem was that Spider-man wasn't cool enough. The only time he did crack a joke ("Your friendly, neighborhood Spider-man!"), he sounded like one of the stars of Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. There'd be nothing wrong with Spider being gay, but not when he's supposed to be in love with Mary Jane.
I think that Dafoe was the only saving grace of Spider-Man. He truly was insane. Beyond that, Spider-Man wasn't that good. I mean does everyone just forget about Parker doing a double back flip and then punching Flash down the hall. Yeah, I'm sure most people thought that was cool, but that infuriated me. If I ever saw a kid in high school that was known to be unathletic bust something like that, I'm turning into an instant detective!!! Ignoring other such flaws for the time being, Spider-Man was at it's core a story that has been told, re-told, revamped since 1963 and for my thirteen years of reading comic books, I see it at least three times a year. It is boring.
Even worse than that though is the first X-Men. Damn, does Singer know anything about the comic books? He actually told the cast not to read any of the source material in preparation for the roles as to not interfere with his retarded incarnations. The X-Men of comic books were dynamic due to character interaction and their own inherent flaws. His characters were flat, and designed to just get to next scene. Look at Halle's performance. I counted four flip-flops between her having a bad African accent to no accent at all. When are these people in charge going to realize that just because it is based on a comic book, doesn't mean that every line has to be dramatic and overemphasized.
For all I said above X2 was a vast improvement and second only to Blade in my opinion, with Hulk and Blade II. All those movies had incarnations of what it was like for these otherwise normal people to be put in extraordinary situations, especially in the Blade movies. The game shouldn't change just because your character has super powers; they talk and act just like we would. That is one reason Avi Arad needs to go, because it seems that if you want it in your movie Arad will approve it no questions asked.
This post is so laughable its pitiful.This MAN-SPIDER movie-which is what it REALLY should have been called because of the organic webshooters, was a travesty also.Yes William Defoe was great in his acting,I disagree with vengence about the acting,the only one I thought was weak in the acting was James Franco as Harry Osborn.Defoe was great in his acting,but that Green Goblin costume damaged a great performance because people laughed at that goblin costume.I'd say YOU are the guy who needs to get a life because you cant seem to stand criticems of your precious MAN-SPIDER movie.No,if I want to talk about a shitty movie,I'll just talk about your stupid SPIDER-MAN,er MAN-SPIDER movie. Daredevil was by far a much better superiour film over that crap Spider-Man movie.At least a black Kingpin is a reasonable change unlike those moronic organics which make him MAN-SPIDER.
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MAN-SPIDER was the best comicbook movie ever? what drugs are you on? More like SUPERMAN was the best comicbook movie ever,hands down.and bashing a movie is not trolling kid.No the movie would have NOT bombed if he came out in the original costume,SPIDER-MAN is such a popular icon figure,that it did not matter how awful the movie was,there was never any doubt that because of his popularity,the movie would be a hit.Give me a break,that Green Goblin costume was 100 times more stupid looking than the one from the comics.No that alien from outer space costume from this crappy movie is the costume which is retarded.You want to talk pointless debate? just about everything you just now said except for the part about Daredevil was pointless.
Word Mr. Parker. Unlike a lot of people that post, I read the source material. And although I realize that I cannot expect these writers to encompass all that is Peter Parker, I do expect one thing to come across. That is the fact that Pete is a poor bastard that even when he defeats his nemesis, 95% of the time in his personal life, things do not and cannot go right.
The movie would have been a lot more interesting if his initial love interest was Gwen Stacy and that she died in the bridge sequence. That's torture and anguish. That is what Parker is about.
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I Hated it when Gwen died,I myself am glad they did not make this movie and have Gwen die.I myself would like to have Gwen in a sequel and see Mary Jane die myself.Thats what hacks me off is when I criticise changes from the comicbooks like the goblin costume,people say I want things to be exactly like the comics which is so untrue obviously since I would like to see a sequel where Mary jane dies.
People are so unbeleivable it's a freakin movie. The hulk didn't do as well as spider-man because it wasn't cheesy. Yet people say it sucked, when it had a better devloped plot then any super hero movie out there It might sound weird but people seem to be attracted to the cheesy movies more then any other movies. The writing for spider-man might have been bad but the actors and production seemed to have put it together well. And people expect movies to be so similiar to the comics when really it's harder than you think. And i bet if this comic book never existed and the movie still came out. People would like this movie a whole lot more. I know Every one has right to their own opinion.
Well, I don't particularly agree that the entire movie sucked because his webshooters were organic. As for the Hulk not being cheesy...did you watch the same movie I did?
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Daredevil was by far a much better superiour film over that crap Spider-Man movie.At least a black Kingpin is a reasonable change unlike those moronic organics which make him MAN-SPIDER. 
