Where would you rank him on earth based on combat showings? I know everyone and their mom in the comics keeps saying he's at the top, but personally, I don't think so. He hasn't won a physical confrontation against a peer...well...at all yet as far as I can remember. Either it's a character he should stomp and he does, or he just gets stomped himself, or wins in a different manner. Thoughts?
Carver, I don't think he should stomp his peers. I was saying that he should beat them in a fight, or at least look better than them, not stomp them. The people he's beaten he really shouldn't have much trouble with anyway. When it comes to his peers he either straight up loses, or comes out looking worse than them. There isn't anything wrong with that in and of itself, but then DC should stop have everyone giving him unfounded lip service. He hasn't done anything to prove he's #1, but everyone keeps calling him #1. All i'm saying is I want to actually be shown why he's the best, instead of just being told it.
What fights are you talking about though? He usually does well in his fights and for the most part, he is winning. Its the enemies he's facing...majority of them take plot to beat them. I think DC is showing him a lot of praise...a LOT of praise. He has losses but who doesn't, its part of being a hero. IMO, this Superman is a beast (can't wait to see his fight against Wraith).
Well, the predator looking dude made him look silly, the shadow cat like lady owned him, Orion looked better in their fight, He-man owned him, Hel'spont one shotted him and then had a harder time with a street level character, he got stomped more times than i can count recently in psy war, his big enemy in Superman unchained made him look like a child, there was a ghost or something that he and Batman were dealing with in an extra story at the end of issues that owned him, etc. That is just off the top of my head.
Really, DC seems to be using him as a tool to show how awesome the newest big threat or hero character is. What's the best way to give something instant Cred? Say that Supes is the most powerful being on earth, and then have something stomp him. Writing! I get the feeling that this trend will continue in the Superman/Wonderwoman comic. You can bet Supes and Wondy will fight, and when they do Wondy will remark on Supes being ultra powerful and then proceed to beat him because they are making a big deal about him not knowing how to fight in that comic.
Being used as a tool to showcase how awesome the new threat happens to every top dog character. It is lazy writting and it can get annoying when they overdo it, but it doesn't stay with the characters. I mean look how beastly Thor is nowadays when a year or 2 ago he was getting knocked the **** out by everyone and their mama. Same thing happened to Savage Hulk. It is happening to Superman now, but he is still getting his fair share of feats and he does tend to fight a higher level of opponents. 5D Imps, H'el, Helspont etc.
Yeah, I know, Supes is where Thor was yet a year or 2 ago. I can't wait for it to end though, haha. IMO they haven't done a good job of establishing why Supes is the toughest yet. His feats are good, they just need to have him win some fights.
Yeah, I mean he needs to beat people who are a bit more impressive. He doesn't need to go around and stomp everyone, just a few more in the win column against impressive foes. Like if he manages to beat H'el or Helspont, that would go a long way. Or if he manages to beat his newest foe in Unchained. Or if he has a fight with Wondy and he wins/looks better. Or if he beats He-man in the next issue of that crossover.
He just needs to look better against tougher opposition IMO.
I see what you're saying, and I do kinda agree. I guess I just kinda don't like the whole Lip Service part. I know that at some point he must have won some tough fights to get the title of #1 on the planet, I just want to see those things. It really boils down to wanting them to show it more than just saying it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think they've done poorly, this is just something I think could use a bit of improvement.