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Superman is more vulnerable to magic than others Heralds ?

About Superman durability against magic.

1 - Some people says he is vulnerable to magic, in the same way Hulk or Silver Surfer is.

2 - Some people say he is more vulnerable to magic than other people with the same (or close) durability level.

Wich one is correct ? There are on panel evidences who show others heralds stand against magic when Superman cant ?

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My understanding is, Superman doesn't have any "special" weakness to magic; he's simply vulnerable to it, like anyone, presumably because magic operates on a whole other level, transcending (comic book) physics. However, on occasion, Kal has shown formidable resistance.

It seems to vary, depending on the needs of a given story.


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Superman is not invulnerable to magic.

He is just as vulnerable as any one else.

Though this is also inconsistent in comics.

Let me give a couple of examples

In Invasion he got "affected" by magic from a very powerful voodoo priest and a scan with out context will indicate that Superman just got defeated by deadly voodoo magic designed to kill him.

Bear in mind that the Voodoo Priest on panel can kill with his deadly voodoo magic.

But if you read the comic, you will realize that before the voodoo priest strikes he mention something about Superman's weakened mental state because of his mental break down followed by the execution of the pocket verse kryptonians AND the fact that he just got blasted by a Tannagarian cannon capable of disentigrate a small ship.

So out of context it seem that Superman just got defeated by deadly Voodoo magic, but with context you realize that the "effectiveness" of the deadly voodoo magic was only partial and due to extenuating circumstances that allowed the Voodoo priest to KO Superman.

1.- Deadly Voodoo magic, confirmed to be deadly on panel to a regular human
2.- Weakened Mental state (that lower Superman defenses)
3.- Blasted by a Tannagarian Cannon that can desintegrate a small ship

So being as "vulnerable" to magic as anyone else will depend on the writer.

As far as I remember the only time that Superman showed a "weakness" to magic was when he got shot with a Voodoo bone bullet as Plastic took the same bullet but it did not affected him and IIRC it was explained that Plas got an specific advantage because of his ability of changing his molecules or something like that.

He has also survived a magical blast that according to narration will "rip a tank in two"

in short Magic is not a weakness but a vulnerability IF you have enough magical juice, IMO


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He's as vulnerable as your average joe towards magic, barring special circumstances where he's shown noteworthy resistance to it.


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Superman has no special resistance to magic. He can be cut by a magic knife but it isn't like Kryptonite, which makes him weaker when exposed to it. In that sense, his strength and durability makes it possible for him to tank vast magic attacks that would instantkill humans or even some low heralds. He feels it though and it hurts.


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No, he is less vulnerable since it is a weakness.


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It isn't a weakness, it's a vulnerability.


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It isn't a weakness, it's a vulnerability.
Then why do they use the word weakness in the comics ? That's the exact word they use.


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They have used it, but the way they've used it has been incorrect in it's execution. That, and it's been shown as a vulnerability far more than a weakness.

Magic isn't inherently dangerous to Superman; if it was, it would be a weakness.

"good" magic working on him makes it a vulnerability, not a weakness.


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Then this all is a Myth ?

In Thor vs Superman threads, people say one of Thor advantages is " he uses magic". But in a thread like Thor vs Hulk, or Thor vs Silver Surfer, no one point out "magic" as a advantage against then.

From what i see here, there is no reason to say Hulk is more durable against magic than Superman, right ?

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They have used it, but the way they've used it has been incorrect in it's execution. That, and it's been shown as a vulnerability far more than a weakness.

Magic isn't inherently dangerous to Superman; if it was, it would be a weakness.

"good" magic working on him makes it a vulnerability, not a weakness.
Again, the comics make it clear its a weakness by using the word. You are incorrectly defining the word weakness.


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Again, the comics make it clear its a weakness by using the word. You are incorrectly defining the word weakness.


Except that the few instances of calling it a weakness are overruled by the more numerous instances of it being both called (and treated) as a vulnerability.

it's more consistently described and treated as a vulnerability, so no, I'm really not.


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Kryptonite is a 'weakness'. That's why Superman's powers wane just by being within close proximity of the stuff.

That said, if magic were truly a 'weakness' for Superman, he wouldn't be able to so much as touch magical items, or be around characters whom are actively utilizing magic, without weakening substantially like he does when exposed to Kryptonite-- but this is obviously not the case, as Supes can be around magic all day long without suffering any ill-effects. However, when magic is used against Supes, it has the same effect that it would on any other person(human or super-human alike.)

So those who call it a 'vulnerability' are correct.


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Superman survived recently and blast from Lexus, Devourer of Life which would have slain a "lesser herald" iirc. His resistance against magic is nonexistant compared to his invulnerability against energy or normal attacks, that's why it hurt. Still if it would be a real weakness he would have been dead.


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WHAT!!!

Quan does not know sh1t about comics???

How you guys dare!!!

When it comes to comics and specially Superman comics Quan is the sh1t... literally

TBH, I just feel like trolling Quan big grin


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