Well, Flash is usually said to have outrun Death when posters give high end examples of how fast HE is, so, use your best judgement.
I really dont like to spell out every little detail of an OP, it takes the fun out of things for everyone IMO.
I love how even though Ahab does all this hard work,
Moby Dick is the star of the book.
Obviously I don't believe that Superman is 'only' on par with Jay, I'm just pointing out that there are contradictions/inconsistencies all over the place when it comes to Clark vs. the Flash Family. /shrug
He's somewhere between Barry/Wally [whomever is Flash at the time] and Jay.
He'll always be regarded as the main Flash rival among the heroes, though the times where he can be debated to be faster are long gone, eventough a bone is thrown from time to time, like this:
Tbf, it did look like Clark was expending a lot more effort than Flash(who was being mind-controlled at the time)... And Flash's comment at the end of the issue kind of substantiates that: (please log in to view the image)
"I LET you catch me today."
Again, contradictions/inconsistencies run rampant on this topic.
Honestly, I believe in an all-out race, Flash would beat Clark every time. Speed is just what he does. That definitely doesn't diminish Clark, however--like you said: where heroes are concerned it has been made pretty clear that he is Flash's closest rival in terms of raw speed... Which says a lot about Clark's speed as well.
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That can also be chalked up to Barry covering his ego.
How much control could he possibly have with his speed, since he couldn't control the fact that he was running? Even after Superman bear hugged him and lifted him off his feet, his feet were still moving, he was frantic and looked maniacal in Superman's arms.
"I let you catch me" he says, and yet he specifically came to Superman, despite there being other speedsters he could have gone to get them to take the kryptonian band off of his head, if he had a major enough control of his speed to slow down to their level.
He didn't even go to Wally, he looked all over the *world* for Clark specifically.
Then there is also that time Supes said something akin to "Wally is fast enough to see me coming, but not fast enough to do anything about it".
Then there was the time he also casually matched Professor Zoom in sheer speed, by Zoom's own admission, and then even undoing Professor's Zoom's time storms/wind funnels with his own sheer speed.
I remember him being caught in some Time stop crystal, might have been some New God tech (iirc), and he succeeded to break out of it. Despite the fact that...time was stopped.
That being said, Barry is probably a faster runner than Supes, but I feel like their reaction time/perception speed might be the same. Akin to the difference between the top olympic sprinter and the runner up. Wally is probably below Barry by a comparable amount.
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Wally, Barry, and maybe even adult Bart are faster than Superman, but the difference between them is relatively marginal. That is to say: the Flashes would win a race every time, but Supes is at least fast enough to keep pace. The rest of the heroes are not. Imo.
Though where perception/reaction are concerned, I'd put Supes on equal footing with any Flash.
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