KillerMovies - Movies That Matter!

REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Home » Comic Book Forums » Superman » Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power
Started by: panthergod

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (12): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

You argue that Superman is no more than Cap/Adam/Elite Class 100 level at full strength and his strength is no more dynamic than any other top tier.

Prove that laughable goofball piece of shit claim.

as of a couple years back the following writers have written this ability:
Byrne
Hudnall
Jurgens
Stern
Orway
Simonson
Carlin
Berganza
Loeb
Casey
DeMattheis
Schulz
Kelly
Rucka
Johns
Busiek
Robinson

Now add Pak for the Nu52 version, Tomasi for Rebirth, etc

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:24 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Let's begin:



Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
(please log in to view the image)

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
(please log in to view the image)


Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/...egulations6.jpg

Red Glass - establishing via precedent in 1991 that an unleashed and insane with power Superman's subconsciously supressed potential power was superior to Darkseid in direct combat, and could kill top tiers like GL Guy, J'Onn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm with EASE in 2-3 attacks:
http://s764.photobucket.com/user/pa...Out%20precedent

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:28 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
DarkSaint85
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

Yeah but JBL is friends with all of them.


__________________


Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:28 PM
DarkSaint85 is currently offline Click here to Send DarkSaint85 a Private Message Find more posts by DarkSaint85 Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
JBL
Wrestling God

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

LMAO!!!! Show one of those writers say that superman is equal to CM, BA UNTIL he stops holding back. Lol


__________________

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:30 PM
JBL is currently offline Click here to Send JBL a Private Message Find more posts by JBL Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Than the CULMINATION of that long running subplot and theme-began in Byrne's run, continued through Post Byrne/Carlin editorial era, thriough to DoS:



As to the original fight and story, yes, DD was stated numerous times to be at least as strong as before, to be growing in strength, to me literally laughing at Suoperman's standard level covnentional attacks, etc:

"is he growing stronger:
(please log in to view the image)

"the harder i fight, the more Doomsday likes it! He's been fighting MOST OF THE DAY, but he still seems as eager-- and as strong--as ever! ":
(please log in to view the image)

His most effective attack before the end, which dazes DD... he's just laughing at Supe's strikes and Supes is hurrting himself on DD's hide a few pages later:
(please log in to view the image)
(please log in to view the image)
(please log in to view the image)

DD one-shots Matrix Superman -- WELL beyond what a standard Supes could do at the time:
(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

Now here's the last decent shot Supes put in, bloodying DD's mouth, before the end -- HOPING that DD was as tired as he--not NOTING him being tired, just HOPING that he was tired -- which all throughout the last issue until Supes goes all out, he's still dominating him with ease, NO signs of being tired;
(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:31 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:32 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Once Lois is directly viscerally threatened that's when his SUBCONSCIOUS mind allows him to break the mental blocks suppressing his innate potential power at he gets powerful to truly hurt, weaken, and kill Doomsday, within a few moments:
(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:32 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

the creators of DoS went out of their way to make clear that YES, Doomsday had a Hulk like anger fueled increasing strength factor, confirming Superman's speculations:

(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

who wrote that scene? Roger Stern, co-writer of DoS, writer of the novelization:
(please log in to view the image)



Roger Stern, among the main writers of DoS, described the fight via prose in the novelization at the time, making clear in words the intent of the end of the fight -- it was ONLY Superman's all out attacks that finally weakened Doomsday -- Superman surging with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being:
(please log in to view the image)

(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:33 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
One Big Mob
I know somethin'

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Listening for a "rip"

JBL looks to be in the lead so far. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out when he gets serious.


__________________

"I am about to go in the kitchen and see if I can make tin foil make the ripping noise."
"I tried ripping metal...just wouldn't work for me."

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:34 PM
One Big Mob is currently offline Click here to Send One Big Mob a Private Message Find more posts by One Big Mob Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

subsequent retellings showed this time and again -- the last moments between Superman going all out and DD dying was mere MOMENTS:

(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:34 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:35 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Finally, Superman Rebirth making everything 100% clear: Doomsday was ALWAYS increasing ih strrength throughtout the fight, and ONLY at the end when Superman go all out did Superman overcome his anger fueled dynamic strength via using his full power against a living being for the first time in his life:

(please log in to view the image)
(please log in to view the image)
(please log in to view the image)


Why did Superman die against doomsday? his human self limiting mindset and self image, which controls his power-levels:

(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:37 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

And we DIRECTLY saw what would happen if a Superman with a more confident mindset enters Superman's consciousness at the time of the Doomsday fight:

Earth 2 Superman takes Post Crisis Superman's place at the end of DoS:
(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)

And what is the difference between Post Crisis Superman and Kal-L?
(please log in to view the image)

"You were always cautious -- scared of your powers. me-- even as a kid--- why, I'd leap tall buildings in a single bound."

mindset - Kal-L wasn't taught to suppress his powers the way post Crisis Clark was.

Jurgens(writer of Superman 75) an Slott on how Superman's mental access to his powers work-- showing his mental control over his physical stats allows him to nearly be killed because he BELIEVED he should be killed because his subconscious mind believes Dr. Destiny's dream illusion:

(please log in to view the image)
[/quote]


In Sterns novelization of DoS it specifically says in no uncertain terms that he surged with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being. It also says that Doomsday weakened AFTER Superman finally went all out.

It's funny. Loeb used just about the exact phrases to describe Superman's dynamic factor in the No Limits storyline.

It's funny. Loeb used just about the exact phrases to describe Superman's dynamic factor in the No Limits storyline.

(please log in to view the image)

(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:38 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
JBL
Wrestling God

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

Superman put everything he had into that last strike against doomsday. He got no stronger.


__________________

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:38 PM
JBL is currently offline Click here to Send JBL a Private Message Find more posts by JBL Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Superman believing that the Daily Planet Globe is Krypton cause it to crush him to death because his power levels are dependent upon his mind:
(please log in to view the image)
(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:43 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
xJLxKing
Senior Member

Gender: Male
Location: United States

Lmao

When you gotta make a thread to roast a troll who hates Superman.


__________________

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:44 PM
xJLxKing is currently offline Click here to Send xJLxKing a Private Message Find more posts by xJLxKing Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Post IC : Up, Up and Away storyline:

Superman 650:

Superman is human level. to the point here Lex Luthor can beat him up:
(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:44 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:44 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
panthergod
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United States

Suuperman 651

the GL ring doesnt quite take:
(please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image) (please log in to view the image)

why? -- he thinks of himself as a normal human, NOT as Superman any more
(please log in to view the image)

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:45 PM
panthergod is currently offline Click here to Send panthergod a Private Message Find more posts by panthergod Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
JBL
Wrestling God

Gender: Unspecified
Location: United States

Superman can suppresse his powers just like every hero or villain can. He CANNOT mentally raise it. If I go out and wrestle my 4 year old, I MENTALLY suppress my strength to not hurt him, now if a big grown man comes and attack my son, I'm going to attack with far greater strength than that I used on my son. That'd how superman works. He gets no stronger, he just goes from not using his full strength to using it. Unless you think I have dynamic strength.


__________________

Old Post Mar 31st, 2018 08:46 PM
JBL is currently offline Click here to Send JBL a Private Message Find more posts by JBL Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 03:14 PM.
Pages (12): [1] 2 3 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Home » Comic Book Forums » Superman » Callout to JBL: Superman's Dynamic Factor/Above Top Tier Power

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.