Okay it's been bugging me since marvel is kinda the poster child for telepaths how'd their psychic power would stack up against each other. And I'm not going to presume to know the order but I will start it off you guys can change it up or add charcters to it if you like. And this is a hierarchy of Telepathic skill, talent, and raw power.
(The Top 5) my order
1. Jean Grey
2. Professor X
3. Exodus
4. Emma Frost
5. Mister/Miss Sinister
Can, I ask do you think Emma=Jean in skill or do you think Emma's more skilled than Jean. Because I always thought they might be equal but maybe they aren't and my list should be changed.
I don't think Jean is on the same level as Emma in the skill department. She surely is very apt in telepathy and certainly much stronger, but Emma's skill and cunning feats are just plain better.
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I think Jean is alot more skilled, however, Emma just shows more ruthlessness and creativity, resulting in really interesting and entertaining outcomes for us readers hah
Based on what observation?
Don't get me wrong, i'm not denying (or affirming) your point of view, i'm simply interested how you come to it ... besides (obviously) being a Jean/Phoenix fan.
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Well to be honest I always thought the same thing I mean there's not too many things Emma's done that Jean hasn't if I'm not mistaken. And if I'm wrong just let me know but I always felt Jean could do what Emma does but since Emma has the more in your face personality she is allowed to do the borderline evil acts.
Because over the years I'm pretty sure Jean has some telepathic feat to atleast match Emma's maybe not in creativity but enough so that in a telepathic battle Jean wouldn't be overly out classed. I mean when Rachel and Emma battled do you guys think the same would have happened to Jean or is Jean skilled enough to beat Emma.
Jean certainly has some impressive telepathy feats, but the really impressive ones were all related to her strength rather than to her skill and versatility.
For example:
- Emma bypassed a sentinel's tp-shields by adjusting her tp to the frequency of the sentinel's scanners, "riding" them right back to the source. Jean would probably reach the same outcome by simply using her superior strength and breaking right through the shield rather than bypassing it.
Where Jean can use her superiority in strength to get things done, Emma, though certainly quite strong herself, has to use her aptitude rather to stalemate or even overcome stronger telepathic opponents like Rachel, Exodus, Xavier ... and she does.
Don't get me wrong, i'm convinced that Jean is a very skilled and apt telepath, but Emma simply has better showings in that department.
Jean would most probably win against Emma in telepathic battle every time. But that's rather because Emma's advantage in skill and cunning is not big enough to compensate for Jean's advantage in raw strength.
Emma won the fight with Rachel, because Rachel, though way stronger than Emma, is not as strong as Jean and certainly even farther away from Emma's skill level than her mother.
That's pretty much it!
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uummmm...... i don't actually think he ever was a telepath. correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he have to use an emma designed device just to project his illusions into jean's mind? doesn't that mean he isn't an actaul telepath?
Well, i think the idea was more to rank characters with psionic powers that are affecting the mind and can be considered telepathic or part telepathic in nature. So Jason fits into this group. Hell, he once stalemated Emma in a psychic duel.
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I appreciate your insight and the truth is your absolutely right you explained everything throughly and I respect that. I think though, Emma may be one of the most if not the most skilled Telepath on the planet. I mean I don't think there's a telepath whose matched Emma's skill and finesse on regular showings. What do you think on the matter.
Thank you, but keep in mind, that i don't claim to possess "the truth" about this matter, i only explain things according to what i subjectivly perceive in the comics.
If i'd judge strictly according to the number of showings, i'd have to say Emma ist the most skilled on the planet too. But according to implications and "established status" i rate the Xavier twins higher in that department.
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hah, I understand what you're saying, but I try to explain my standing on subjective terms only because I hate seeing people being stubborn fanboys/fangirls with only blind idol worship for their favorite character, even if it is Jean =). As a matter of fact, seeing Jean/Phoenix fans who don't understand her or tout her superiority without backing up their claims is probably my biggest pet peeve.
Yes, Emma has shown more consistent usage of considerable skill and finesse on panel. I'm just making my educated guess based on the fact that Jean started tutelage under the premier telepathic talent at a very young age. Those factors combined with her dual psionic potential and years of experience in telepathy and astral combat lead me to believe she edges Emma out in skill.
Even though Emma's abilities weren't nurtured as early, and she was tutored initially only by Astrid Bloom, she is without a doubt a force to be reckoned with, regardless of telepathic skill. However, her upbringing and need to fight against every obstacle to gain proper footing in her world required Emma to be a bit more creative and calculating than a telepath such as Jean, which I give her lots of respect for. She also has had years of experience in using her abilities as well.
At the end of the day, in terms of skill, I see Jean as more skilled "by-the-book" or traditional, while Emma is skilled in a craftier sense.
Hope I'm not rambling =/ but that's my two cents =)
Since there are a ton, and I'm no afficianado on them, I'll list who I think are top 3
1-Prof. X (because on Marvel.com it is stated that he's "arguably the world's most powerful telepath")
2-Jean (Phoenix amplifying her powers, giving her sheer raw, unskilled, power)
3-Cassandra Nova (Prof. X' DNA) or Emma Frost (she's skilled, but Jean's raw power has dominated her on more than one occasion)
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Thanks for this informative and well explained answer. I now understand where you're coming from.
Just one thing: Didn't Emma start earlier to nurture and train her telepathic powers than Jean, whose tp-powers were blocked by Charles for quite some time? And Jean's dual psionic potential imo means that she would have to divide her attention and training between those two abilities, so ...
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True very true, so who did start with their telepathic powers first I mean since Jean and the X-men started in the 60's and Emma's past has just been you know flushed out I wonder. Who did begin training to use their telepathic powers first Jean or Emma.
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