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jedi212guy
Sith Warrior
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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Vader's body
When did Vader's body disappear when he died? The movie doesn't show it. Somebody please explain.
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Aug 4th, 2001 01:45 AM |
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finti
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Registered: Dec 2000
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Luke burnt him, so his body didnt disappeare.
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Aug 4th, 2001 08:45 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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Well, I disagree, I think it did disappear, and that his ghostly appearance at the end proves it (because I am certain that disappearing and ghost form are linked); in support of all this are comments by Rick McCallum and the Official website (though that is not proof in of itself).
In which case, I wouild say it disappeared very shortly after his last words; probably by the time Luke took off in the shuttle.
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Aug 4th, 2001 11:11 AM |
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finti
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Ghostly as Anakin yes not as vader, remember Vader was very much mechanical where do the mechanical limbs go?
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Aug 4th, 2001 12:49 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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Obviosuly THEY didn't go anywhere; only his organic parts disappeared.
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Aug 4th, 2001 02:21 PM |
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jedi212guy
Sith Warrior
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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GL has a far amount of explaining to do about vanishing bodies. 
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Aug 4th, 2001 05:06 PM |
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Tex
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Registered: Jun 2001
Location: Tampa, FL, USA
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I took his body, it's under my bed 
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Aug 4th, 2001 05:30 PM |
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yerssot
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Registered: Jul 2001
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Wel, we saw he was dead but them Luke took him in his shutlle so we don't know what is the full truth, but everybody and GL are saying that it was his armor that was on the pile, this was because GL first wanted to get the disapearing trick only done by guys from the Ligh Side, but felt it was not fair for DV so he let him be a ghost also.
It is true that it is ANNAKIN that is a ghost and NOT DV!!! There IS proof in the movie ROTJ!! Look at the gost his hair! He HAS hear so he is not Vader without his armor wich we saw earlyer in the movie, so this MUST be Annakin
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Aug 4th, 2001 06:17 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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Well, let;s not over-distinguish the two (because it is all a bit metaphysical), but you are generally right.
Check the thread Jedi Death for a fuller discussion on the disappearing trick, and any numjber of past threads where myself and Queeq have argued endlessly about it...
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Aug 4th, 2001 06:20 PM |
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yerssot
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Ushgarak Well, let;s not over-distinguish the two (because it is all a bit metaphysical), but you are generally right.
Sorry, English is not my first language (4th language) can you explain your answer in simple English please?
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Aug 4th, 2001 06:26 PM |
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jedi212guy
Sith Warrior
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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Don't worry, he's just talking out of his a$$. No insult intended, alright?
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Aug 4th, 2001 09:52 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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Don;t spend too much time seperating Anakin from Vader when it comes to the disappearing trick. It;s the same body, after all.
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Aug 4th, 2001 09:55 PM |
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jedi212guy
Sith Warrior
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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I don't think of it as a trick. I think of it as more of a "soul", if you will. Anakin/Vader have just one soul. Since Anakin was prepared to die, he COULD become one with the force, which I think Qui-Gon couldn't b/c he wasn't ready. Sorry if I am using too many religious metaphors. Maybe you don't have too disappear to enter a "spirit body?" If true, Anakin wouldn't have had to disappear for Luke to see his "spirit body."
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Aug 4th, 2001 10:00 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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It is known in fandom as the Disappearing/Ghost trick.
And you shouldn;t be asking or saying why QGJ didn't do it; you ask why Obi-Wan and the others COULD. That is the way around it is.
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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
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Aug 4th, 2001 10:03 PM |
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yerssot
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Registered: Jul 2001
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I find it funny that you can see Annakin at the end of ROTJ as a ghost, but he has his 2 arms, no metal anywhere. So, guess, dissapearing heals a Jedi, right? 
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Aug 6th, 2001 09:14 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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I think the point is that he appared in ghost form how he WANTED to look; that is, how he would have been at that age if he had not been the corrupted being that was Vader.
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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
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Aug 6th, 2001 09:16 PM |
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jedi212guy
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Registered: Mar 2001
Location: Danville, Kentucky
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I totally agree with that.
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Aug 7th, 2001 01:49 PM |
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finti
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Registered: Dec 2000
Location:
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Well as Anakin he was pure. Vader was evil, guess the pure one wins the ghost part.
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Aug 7th, 2001 07:59 PM |
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sand person no. 10
where are the other nine
Registered: Jun 2001
Location: West Midlands UK
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how is anakin pure, there must of been some evil in him to turn to the darkside in the first place.
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Aug 8th, 2001 12:02 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Chelmsford, Essex, UKCo-Admin
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Now, that is true. But then, so do all people. I think the point was clear; Anakin was a good man, Vader was a bad (if you care to distinguish so much between the two); the spirit was of Anakin.
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"You've never had any TINY bit of sex, have you?"
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Aug 8th, 2001 12:09 AM |
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