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Whats the deal with the cave scene in ESB?
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HyperDream
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Question Whats the deal with the cave scene in ESB?

The part where luke goes into the cave and sees darth then cuts his head off revealing lukes face in darths helmet.

i understand the symbolism, but how did it happen? was it visuals sent through the force, was he meditating and searching deep inside himself finding something interesting?

Also.......

when luke lands on degobah and says to R2 that he feels like hes seen it before, does this mean that he had visited there when he was a kid? or maybe padme gave birth to him there......

what do you guys think, and do you think that it will be answered in EP3?


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Ushgarak
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It was internal, as Yoda clearly states. Luke was gaining insight from his own emotions.

As for visiting Dagobah... hard to be sure. Luke could have just seen the world through the Force before, and not been used to how that felt.


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Darth Jello
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read star wars infinities: a new hope. it is the only source that shows what would have happened if luke succeeded in the cave.


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I always wondered if perhaps Luke had briefly been on Dagobah whilst being spirited away from his dad.

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Many people have so wandered, but there seems little logical reason as to why, at this point.


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if I recall correctly what happens is that luke doesn't encounter vader, instead he encounters the images of Padme, Shmi, Anakin, Palpatine, and many others, learning the depths of his father's fall and the conspiracey of the Clone Wars and rise of the sith. his vision concludes with an apparition of Darth Maul stating that "at last we will have our revenge"


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VengeanceGOD
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quote:
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Many people have so wandered, but there seems little logical reason as to why, at this point.


Unless Yoda hid him for a while before handing him over to Obi-wan.

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Ushgarak
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I didn't say no-one could think of a reason why, just nothing that there seems any logical point inserting into the film, is the point.


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other than the fact that luke finds the place "familiar". but no, other than that there doesn't seem to be any good reason... roll eyes (sarcastic)


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That is the only reason anyone discusses it in the first place, obviously- but him being there is not a plot necessity.


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yoda was testing him. what more do you want to know?


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Yoda chose Dagobah for that very reason when he went into hiding. The dark side power was so strong there from the death of that Dark Jedi that it masked Yoda's presence. Who knows, it could very well be Count Dooku that Yoda chases after and kills on that planet.
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Darth Vader: If you only knew the power of the Dark Side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough. He told me you killed him.
Darth Vader: No. I am your father.
Luke: No. That's not true. That's impossible.
Darth Vader: Search your feelings you know it to be true.
Luke: Nooooo. Nooooo.

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quote:
Originally posted by lau_timmy
Yoda chose Dagobah for that very reason when he went into hiding. The dark side power was so strong there from the death of that Dark Jedi that it masked Yoda's presence. Who knows, it could very well be Count Dooku that Yoda chases after and kills on that planet.
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Darth Vader: If you only knew the power of the Dark Side. Obi-Wan never told you what happened to your father.
Luke: He told me enough. He told me you killed him.
Darth Vader: No. I am your father.
Luke: No. That's not true. That's impossible.
Darth Vader: Search your feelings you know it to be true.
Luke: Nooooo. Nooooo.

yoda also chose dagobah cuz it was rich with life. remember when luke said to r2 "i'm picking up massive life form readings".


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Darth Jello
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had luke been knowledgable of the light side, the cave would have revealed the truth to him. the truth of his origins and the sith. since there was still much darkness within him, the cave sent him a warning


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well put.


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Colabee
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I always thought Yoda gave Luke the vision....to scare the pants off him.


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xeous
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I always thought that Yoda was a little...Crooked. wink


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Darth Jello
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read the infinities, what he pulls on Vader in ESB is absolutely aw inspiring in one of the most psychological star wars scenes ever.


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HyperDream
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whats the infinities again?


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Darth Jello
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a what if series of star wars comics


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