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Could Sidious see the future?
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Diamond Kisses
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Could Sidious see the future?

A reoccuring question in my mind stick out tongue


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Basically, yes.

Less basically, yes, but the films make clear that these things do not always go as you see them, being only possibilities, nor are you certain to see all such possibilities.


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Diamond Kisses
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He did plan the whole Anakin thing and the whole Luke thing. He sacreficed Doku for future means and all that, as if he knew. Would he not also see the possibility that Vader turns against him?

That is what haunts me the most stick out tongue

If he was such a wise, intelligent man and could see the future, how did he miss his own possible death? I find it quite obvious that a father decide to protect his son no expression


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Yoda answers that question for ya in ESB: "Always in motion, the future is... "


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So there is no way to see the future then, but Sidious almost succeeded? smile


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It is possible to see it... be it that one can see the possibilities as things are at that time. In TPM Palpy is manipulating the Senate knowing how the future will look is he continues to control it. "Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."... why would he say that if he KNEW EXACTLY what was going to happen? There's a fluidity in teh future, there a way the future turns out as longs as things continue along the present lines. But things do change. As Ush said: one can see possibilities.


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It's highly likely that Palpatine did not foresee a future betrayal by his apprentice.


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Not like that. In fact, both Vader and Palpy said they could foresee Luke destroy the Emperor. In the end, Vader did.


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In a way, Luke was the reason the emperor did fall stick out tongue


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Light Side of the force blinded him in the way Darkside blinded the Jedi in PT, perhaps. He could not understand that love can defeat the Darskide.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Diamond Kisses
In a way, Luke was the reason the emperor did fall stick out tongue


True, very true.


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Damn Luke, he bugs me. He shouldn't have been able to take that many electric shots.


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He was the real chosen one.


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How?


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he wasn't...Anakin was. GL has stated this numerous times.


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Exactly.


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I know. But Luke should have been the One. He did all the hard work.


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Really? He turned against and killed his extended "family," lose his wife and kids, get stuck in a suit and then hurt his son, and then turn on his master for his son, killing himself in the process...

Luke got his hand cut off and got electrocuted.


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So tunring against and killing your family, losing wife and kids, hurting your son and turning on your master earns one the title of Chosen One??? That's very odd....

Yes, Anakin suffered more. But Luke resisted the Dark Side twice, decided to risk his life to save his father who'd everyone had given up on, and risked his own life.... I call that doing all the hard work. Vader just followed his own desires until the love of his son made him turn.


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yes that is a good assesment. Sideous couldnt really see the future only the possiblities. This is utimately the Dark Lords downfall as he really believed that Luke would join him. Anakin may have been the chosen one but the profacy states: That he would bring balence to the force. I think the Jedi misread it. I believe it could mean: Anakin would make both the Dark and Light sides equal eg. at the end of Sith, only two Sith and Two true Jedi remained. Yoda and Kenobi, Palpatine and Vader.


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