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darth stu
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how long does it take to become a jedi?
from episode I and some of the new fiction out there (pre episode I) we know that force-sensitive children are found soon after birth and trained until around 13 or so when they are apprenticed as a padawan. their subsequent training can last until around early 20s or so when they become a full jedi knight (we don't know as much about becoming a jedi master or a member of the council). so around 20 years to become a jedi.
here is my question. how long did it take for Luke to become a jedi knight? well, ben taught him for a few days at most in ANH. then yoda taught him in ESB. but how long did that last? from the film (ESB) it looks like it took around 2-5 days if even that long. this is because they keep shifting from luke on dagobah to the falcon in the astroids and at bespin. now, the falcon didn't take more than 2-5 days to go from hoth, through the asteroids, and to bespin (first of all, no one on the falcon even changed their clothes during the whole trip).
so from this, it looks like luke became a jedi knight in around 1 week total hands-on training time (over a period of, say 3-4 years at most given the time between ANH and ESB).
does it bother anyone that the last hope of the universe to defeat the sith duo vader and palpatine became a jedi in around 7 days? remarkable. comments please
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Jul 15th, 2000 12:49 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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I am not disturbed by this at all, because Luke couldn't go through those years just training, if he did then the galaxy would have been opened up to the dark side, and every Jedi would have disappeared permanently. The good side of the force would no longer exist. Luke was a last hope and he needed quick training so he could defeat the empire or at least the death star.
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Jul 15th, 2000 03:40 AM |
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Xizor
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about your jedi master question, a jedi becomes a jedi master once he successfully trains his patawan learner into becoming a jedi. Once a jedi's student is a jedi a jedi can become master.
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Jul 16th, 2000 05:49 AM |
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darth stu
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jedi and masters
unknownbountyhunter,
what do you mean "the galaxy would have been opened up to the darkside, and every Jedi would have disappeared permanently"? the dark side already controled the galaxy, and all the jedi were already gone!
as far as your other statement, "Luke was a last hope and he needed quick training so he could defeat the empire or at least the death star", i am bothered that in 5 days luke could learn enough to defeat a sith master and apprentice that had ruled the galaxy for around 50 years. non sequitur
Xixor,
that's interesting. that would be the reason why obi-wan never became a jedi master. where is this information from?
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Jul 17th, 2000 10:08 PM |
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Re: jedi and masters
I did not intend to mean Jedi, I meant force-sensitive humans/aliens that were against or neutral to the Empire. And don't blame me for the five day thing on Luke, I am not GL so go ask him.
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Jul 18th, 2000 05:04 AM |
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jedi & masters
i wasn't trying to be hostile. sorry if i came across that way. i'm not blaming you, when i say it bothers me, i mean just that: in general, that aspect of the story bothers me. by posting this thread i was hoping that someone could show me that in fact it wasn't 5 days and that there was much more training involved off-screen.
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Jul 18th, 2000 09:54 PM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Re: jedi & masters
Good 
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Jul 18th, 2000 11:55 PM |
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Xizor
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Unknownbountyhunter,
I got the info from TPM visual dictionary. On the page that describes Qui-Gon it tells about how Qui-Gon is a Master because he already trained a Padawan to Jedi status before Obi-Wan. It goes on to say that all Jedi must train another into Knighthood before becoming Master. It's harder than you think as many fail and a good deal more don't take on the challenge of training at all as to have a Padawan that fails is considered a great dishoner. You might find it interesting that the dictionary explains that Qui-Gon's first Padawan passed to make him Master, but his second failed. Obi-Wan is Qui-Gon's third Padawan learner.
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Jul 19th, 2000 05:50 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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I looked for the book at our only bookstore, not there. Looks like I'll have to purchase from borders.com or something.
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Jul 19th, 2000 07:36 AM |
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Depends on how good of a student you are.
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Aug 1st, 2000 01:16 AM |
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Luke just kind of got a crash course. Yoda taught him the basics, then sent him on his way. "Good boy, now go kill the Emperor." Luke was really only intended for that one task.
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Aug 16th, 2000 10:20 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Exactly. This Mara Jade's the kind I like. Dark and good insight on Star Wars. 
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Aug 16th, 2000 10:29 AM |
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So far have I done good getting Mara, UBH?
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Aug 16th, 2000 10:32 AM |
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Don't take too much credit for me yet...
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Aug 16th, 2000 10:36 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Why Mara, do you hate us?? Anyways, your pretty awesome as far as knowledge and sense of humor. EvilJedi, yes good job !!
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Aug 16th, 2000 11:07 AM |
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I would think that a normal padawan would have to spend alot of time learning jedi history, philosophy and decorum...maybe that's another reason why it usually take so long...
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Aug 16th, 2000 10:52 PM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Good point. I also think that a Jedi would have to understand the knowledge of planets, animals (err...aliens), etc. and the chemistry of life before actually being able to become a padawan.
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Aug 17th, 2000 12:07 AM |
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Xizor
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UBH, you sure are sucking it up to the first lady on our site, hmmmmm, I think so. I've made over 400 posts, most have been real good, but I get no compliments She's made like 10 responses and she's gotten "kiss up to your boss" treatment. Come on man, distribute the niceties.
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Aug 17th, 2000 03:55 AM |
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UnknownBountyHunter
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Hey, I am happily married, so no kissing up is needed, I am just glad to see a female who knows what she's talking about.
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Aug 17th, 2000 05:20 AM |
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Xizor
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Because most don't?
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