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Luke's Training

In episode 3 Kenobi leaves Luke to his aunt and uncle as an infant. He knew that Luke was going to have Anakin's force potential, so why did he not start training Luke at the proper age, rather than wait until he and Yoda were so old that they were going to die in less than a decade? Then in ESB, Yoda is adamant about not training Luke until Kenobi convinces him otherwise, giving the excuse that Luke was too old to begin his training. Yoda knew as well as Kenobi that Luke had such strong potential, but he allowed Anakin's failure to dictate his choice about Luke's training.

So my question is, why were these two Jedi Masters, some of the wisest of the Council, so retarded when it came to training one of the only two who could possibly save the Jedi Order and end the oppressive reign of Sith and atone for Anakin's wrongs?

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It's almost as if the prequels f*cked everything up. But surely that can't be true...


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I must be able to use the Force, because I saw that one coming before I even started typing this thread.

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In all seriousness though, what were Kenobi and Yoda smoking in the OT?

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Nothing. The PT f*cked up the logic of the originals. Simple as that.


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Lucien, seriously, I'm trying to get an actual answer, not a PT-hatefest. Use the "I Hate Star Wars" thread to do that.

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And if you're going to pose this question in the OT forum and not the EU forum, then there is only one explanation in canon... the PT f*cked up the logic. There is literally no logical explanation for any of their choices now. You may as well just make up your own answer since that's all anybody else is going to do.


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Out of curiosity, what was the logic for not training Luke before the PT came along?

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That's a tad loaded as it presumes that training Luke was some sort of ultimate goal for either Obi-Wan or Yoda. I argued this recently in the Battle Bar (I think). The OT taken alone never gives us this pre-planned, pre-destined, "gonna destroy evil" stuff. Luke literally wandered into Obi-Wan by chance--and only because R2 wanted to see him--and Obi-Wan said "I have a mission now to help the fight against evil. And since you're here Luke, how about giving that Jedi thing a shot?" Kenobi may have been looking out for Luke all his life, but the "biding time" thing only came about with the PT. As far as the OT shows us, things all just came together at the right time for fortuitous reasons.



With the PT we see a large, 20 year gap where Obi-Wan and Yoda had the tools and opportunity to combat evil in an obvious and direct way--the twins. Why they decided not until chance offered up an opening now makes NO sense. Whereas before, there was no need for it to make sense because the exact context and background was a mystery. Anyone could fill in the blanks with their own narrative and story--part of why leaving some mystery in your films is a good idea. And part of why a prequel is inherently risky (to say the least).


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^That would've been a much more preferable answer in the first place.

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Hmm it does make little sense for Kenobi and Yoda to sit on their asses for 20 years. Surely one of them could have trained the kids, and the other join/start the rebellion, while seeking out any other surviving Jedi.

Just because they failed to destroy the Sith once, doesn't mean they should leave it all to a couple of new born babies now.

Perhaps the new animation set in that time period will make more sense of WTF was going on at that time.

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Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Just because they failed to destroy the Sith once, doesn't mean they should leave it all to a couple of new born babies now.
That's exactly the problem. The Sith being a thing notwithstanding, before the PT, Obi-Wan and Yoda never attempted to destroy or combat anything. Part of the Jedi mystique is that they weren't out-and-out combatants who fought like super ninja samurai. Yoda came off as a passive hermit who was just really wise, not some Kermit-esque sword master/war leader who defies his own common sense of "war does not make one great". Obi-Wan is the one who came off as a soldier. Not a super soldier, just a soldier. So when his people were persecuted and his cause forfeited, he retreaded. Until a new cause came along with R2 and Leia. And a new hope came along with Luke. Nothing planned or foreseen, just fortuitous happenstance.

And ya know part of what made Vader seem dark and evil was that violence and combat were of no-nevermind to him. OT Kenobi didn't go around fighting stormtroopers, he hid from them. PT Kenobi would have just whipped out his lightsaber and started swinging. What a dull character, and what a dull concept for the Jedi.

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^That would've been a much more preferable answer in the first place.
After all this time the answer should be obvious by now. If something from the OT doesn't make sense now because of the PT, it's because the PT f*cked it up.


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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Nothing. The PT f*cked up the logic of the originals. Simple as that.


Correct... in many ways.


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