Why Nolan's Batman is the greatest Super Hero of all time
The greatest hero ever is probably Batman, who was rich, but chose to live in polverty, and after his training with Ras Al Guhl, become a symbol that helped rebuild all that was left of his father, Gotham...
This Batman is far superior to his predecessors technology wise, he doesn't use a regular cape, but a cape that stiffens with an electrical current and works as a wing propelled by wind, he doesn't use a modified car, but a modified tank, he doesn't use side kicks, or teamates for back up, but actual bats!
Chris Nolan`s Batman= Modern Batman from the more recent comics and graphic novels such as Batman Year One, Batman The Long Halloween and the comics from the 70s written by Denny O Neil and drawn primarily by Neal Adams.
Tim Burton`s Batman= Batman from the 1930s such as Batman`s first year in comics from 1939 with a bit of Frank Miller`s Batman from The Dark Knight Returns.
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So Nolan's Batman, the same one who preached that "no one is beyond saving" throughout the entire first movie, yet refused to save Ras Al Ghul, who he knew could and probably would die, is the GREATEST hero of all time?
Honestly, at least Burton Batman didn't go against his own word... You knew he was gonna kill Joker, and that was always his intention... Is that "true Batman"? No. But is that a different, entertaining take on Batman? That is your opinion...
With Begins Batman, he completely went against what he preached the whole movie just so he could say a proverbial "up yours" to Ras... Is that "true Batman"? That's debatable... The rest of the movie was top notch, but that left a REALLY bad taste in my mouth...
The GREATEST hero of all time award goes to Chris Reeve's Superman... A true, honest good guy in every sense of the word...
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IA and let's not forget him setting that whole place on fire, not making sure that criminal got out safe or that he was apprehended if he even was a murderer
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thats a veeery gud point. i think i like nolan's world better than 89's and i like christian bale's bruce wayne a WHOLE lot better than michael keatons. but i admit that 89's batman probably had a more darkly decent set of values and morals goin on.
yeah that is a good point batdude made and thats fine that he likes it as the best comicbook movie but yeah those points batdude brought up,dont understand how he can be the best SUPERHERO in a comicbook movie.that one still goes to superman.
but are you kidding on batman 89 having more decent set of values and morals? killing people in cowardly ways is hardly a decent set of morals and values.
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I never said that, I just said that Nolan's Batman isn't the best ever...
(I even said at the end of my original post that Reeve's Superman is the best ever)
I never said that B89 had a more decent set of morals... I said that he never betrayed his morals, and he never lied about his morals... We KNEW he was going to kill Joker, and he never said he wouldn't, because that was his intention the whole time...
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I should have made myself more clear that when I said how can he be the best superhero in a movie? that I was referring to the thread starters original post. because like I said,that was a good point you brought up and thats why I agree with you that Reeves superman is the best ever superhero .I dont think the definitive Batman movie has been made yet because of those points you made even though you know my views on Batman Begins and the OTHER Batman films.
and yes i know YOU didnt say that in Batman 89 that he had a more decent set of morals,altharpina did,thats why i was quoting HER. yeah he never betrayed his morals,which indeed were horrible.
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Why would Batman save a character that he could not convince? In Begins it wasn't a matter of Batman choosing to abandon his principles, it was a matter of Batman choosing the best for his cause. That is why the Joker is a more unique example of his pity and understanding. With Ghul, Bruce knew where he was coming from, with the Joker, he doesn't know what lead him to where he is. Ra's admitted to being a member of a group that had plagued civility for centuries, in TDK, the Joker doesn't seem to allocate such insight into himself. I may be wrong, since none of us have seen the film. But I can totally understand why Bruce didn't save Ghul, while not killing the Joker. Bruce has, at least in the more seriously considered issues of the mythology, sought to reconcile and convince the Joker of some error in his ways. Somewhere in Bruce, he recognizes that the Joker is the most far gone of his adversaries, and thinks that if he can somehow convince him of his error, that he might one day be able to let go of his own rage. But, the Joker is fundamentally different than Bruce. And that is why the struggle goes on, practically forever. The difference in action/reaction, is that age and experience end up playing a role in Bruce's behavior and reaction.
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But he said all throughout the movie that NO ONE is beyond saving... Why is Ras the only exception? Batman would never just leave one of his adversaries to die... That's what makes him DIFFERENT from his adversaries, is the fact that he'll always try to do the heroic deed, even if he knows it'll cause more suffering for him... He's that obsessed with justice, that he'd risk his life so that justice can be administered... Nolan's Batman fails on that level...
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