I think it's time for another series. For God's sake, with this series, don't include Robin or Batgirl, and don't make it for kids. I want another dark Batman series with more adult esque themes. I also say get Conroy & Hamil to reprise their roles.
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I loved BTAS, Robin and Batgirl both had dark and tragic orgins in both the comics and of couse BTAS.
I loved Robin's recon, that was just great.
Shadow of the Bat was great also. Robin had his dark movements in the series, and became the alsome nightwing. Robin is NEEDED in a cartoon series imo.
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Why is he needed? He's not in any way important to Batman's story. I'm ultra glad we won't get Robin in the new franchise, and I hope for the same if we get a new series. Robin is a suckish hero. In fact, the only thing I really enjoyed seeing him in was Teen Titans.
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Actually, yes, he's VERY important to Batman's story... Why?
1. It shows Bruce as a mentor, as a teacher, showing that Bruce isn't all just darkness and sorrow... It shows he's still human... And it takes Bruce's story full circle, going from the student to the teacher...
2. Jason Todd's death hit Batman very hard... From Todd's death till Tim Drake became Robin, he was a wreck...
And there is gonna be a new Batman series, just not what you'd expect:
"It shows Bruce as a mentor, as a teacher, and it takes Bruce's story full circle, going from the student to the teacher..."
And what do you think of the new animated series they're launching on Cartoon Network?
And in the story JLA: The Nail (I think that's the one), when Joker and Batman were falling deeper and deeper into the depths of hell, who was it that saved Batman? Gordon? No... Catwoman? No... Himself? No... Who was it then? Oh, yeah, Robin...
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And in the story JLA: The Nail (I think that's the one), when Joker and Batman were falling deeper and deeper into the depths of hell, who was it that saved Batman? Gordon? No... Catwoman? No... Himself? No... Who was it then? Oh, yeah, Robin...
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Eh, Robin has one of the worst costumes, some of the most horrid lines, and is borderline lame. Nightwing is awesome....Robin is not. The only time I really cared about Robin was in Teen Titans.
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I prefer Batman doing his thing and Robin doing his own thing (with the Titans), but you CAN'T deny the importance of Robin... It's highly possible that Batman wouldn't be as popular as he is today if it weren't for Robin... Batman might not have survived the Golden Age... He could have shared the fate of several other non-superpowered heroes of the time, but he didn't, and Robin had a big role in that...
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Robin is important, he grow up to be Nightwing, Jason Todd, Robin is not the holy something Robin from the 60's. Robin, like Batman is a man out for justice on a wrong that happen to him, Near the end of Dick's rein as Robin, him and Batman sort of fail apart from one other, and Nightwing was born.
Robin is not a "Sidekick" so to speak, Robin is eveything that Batman needs out there, a partner, backup, if anything went wrong down there, Robin will be there, it was Robin/Nightwing that recover Batman's broken body from the cops at the end of broken Bat. It was Robin that has safe Batman countless times, it was Robin that even the odds when things look bad for Batman. Jim Gordan could never do such a thing for Batman. Robin is needed, for the new cartoon if there is one.
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That about sums it up... Thanks for explaining it so well...
(btw, haven't seen you since before I took a break from the site, around 2005, it brings back memories of the old days: when Burton bashing threads were abundant and Begins rumors were running rampant... It was a kool time)
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A truly Japanese take on the idea of adult-oriented animation would totally give me a hard-on. I think an adult-oriented Batman series would deliver everything the fans have wanted since they were kids who thought that the often kiddie-friendly handling of the character was an insult. Don't get me wrong, I loved The Animated Series, but even then I wanted more. I feel like our current American culture speaks down to kids in the interest of saving them from growing up too soon. But an animated series with a Joker that has the facial scars and a Penguin that murders people in cold blood would absolutely rock. Besides, you can't save "kids" from becoming people unless you subscribe to very, very late term abortions. What can't they find on the internet anyway? I say do it and don't hold back.
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