None of you probably care, lol, but Journey canned another lead singer - Jeff Scott Soto - who they hired in December 2006, to replace Steve Augeri, who was a replacement for Steve Perry.
They're runnin' out of options here. Wonder who'd be a good replacement...
I'd say it does. We can debate the issue if you want, ultimately, Journey's members are talented. Steve Smith is a drumming legend, Neal Schon is a guitar god, and Perry is one of the foremost heralded singers in the rock industry.
Add to the fact that they're the 29th best selling music ensemble of all time, I'd say not only do they have the talent department down, but also the commericial/public appeal department down as well.
Hence why you'll never catch me listening to Paris Hilton. Bands like Rush, Journey, Led Zeppelin, ect. simply stand head and shoulders above the rest.
Yup. I love Journey. But, as Alpha already mentioned, I prefer to listen to bands with talent. Three of Journey's members are considered world-class in their particular fields [Steve Smith (drummer), Steve Perry (singer), and Neal Schon (guitar)]. They make great music in my opinion and are amazing live.
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Best selling means nothing, and you should know better, first off.
Secondly, it doesn't make them a good band musically. There are many musicians who have blistering instrumental talent but can't write a good song for the life of them. Unless you genuinely believe ability is better than ability to make good music.
You're suggesting confusion as to why people don't like Journey cos they have two stand out musicians. That's not logical reason to think they write great, or even good, music. If you do, that's up to you, entirely subjective, but if I remember correctly, even you admitted that Journey's (At least Perry and Schon.) ability Vs their song quality was massively one sided.
I think it's awesome when musicians can play and play well, like Rush, but Rush write great music, so did Zeppelin. If they were less technically able, I'd still like them if they could write great songs. If they had the ability of Dream Theater, but wrote Dream Theater style music, I'd not be a fan.
I didn't say that, per se.
My emphasis was on you ONLY listening to bands you believe have technically superior ability, and place how much you enjoy the songs musically, second.
On top of that, you did once say you thought most metal bands were shit, but had a great appreciation for Disturbed, arguably one of the worst, least talented metal bands there are. I'm getting mixed signals.
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No it kind of does. People only BUY music that they like. Which means if a band is selling millions of albums that means the band is doing something right.
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No sales does reflect the quality of music. People wouldn't BUY music that they don't like. People wouldn't spend around $50-120 for a ticket to see them in concert.
If we're discussing the talent of the band, yes. But if we're talking about "do people think Journey's a good band" or "do people like Journey" then, yes, it does matter.
And no one is saying that every talented musician is a talented lyricist.
I enjoy Journey's music and I enjoy their writing. Because it's entirely subjective, I'm not forcing this on anyone, nor am I using Perry and Schon's undeniable technical ability as justification for it. I could sit here all day and bash the hell out of Rush or Led Zeppelin as far as songwriting and the ability to make good music is concerned, and you couldn't disprove any of it, since it is subjective.
And as far as Perry and Schon are concerned, yes. They are world class musicians, but not world class lyricists or songwriters. That is to say Perry's ability to sing outclasses his ability to write good music, and the same for Schon.
Then we have people like Neil Peart who somehow manage to be world-class in both categories.
Perhaps I should clarify, then, as you've made me think. Sort've revaluate my whole perception, I suppose. P!nk, for example. I listen to some of her newer stuff because it has more of a rock-flavor to it, like "You And Your Hand". But she doesn't even register compared to Dream Theater, even though I think she produces catchier songs. Who is the superior musician? Dream Theater, by massive degrees. But in this case, I find myself listening to P!nk more.
But that's a rare example. In the things I listen to, I've developed the opinion that in 99% of the case, the better talented bands create the better music.
That's true, in most cases. But, like I said, for me, 9 times out of 10, the superior band produces the superior music.
As far as metal is concerned, I enjoy Disturbed's singer more than most, because I can understand what he says and I believe he has a powerful voice. As far as their overall musicianship is concerned, I can't comment, because I'm not a dedicated fan.
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