I haven't read any of the NJO books. Can everyone in the know leave some examples of what makes NJO so freakin' awesome for all of us who don't really know?
The enemies in NJO can' t be felt through the force and they are extremely hardcore awesome. They are big, strong warriors that just like to kill and conquer. It's interesting to see how the Jedi at first are scrambling but come together and learn to fight them. Luke doesn't fight too much in these but when he does I think he beats the Vong, bad guys, really bad.
Ex: Han's son Jacen gets captured and before anyone had a real strategy to fight the Vong Luke walks in and hacks two of them up.
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No, Luke never affected Gravity with his mind, that was Jacen Solo, his kickass nephew, affecting Shimmra's Dovin Basils (Gravity Producing Vongforms) with his vongsense.
But other than that, the NJO series does reveal alot about Jacent and Luke. At the end of Unifying Force, Jacen goes into this "trance" thing when he learns basically the secrets of the force, and is now some sort of uber-healer.
__________________ "Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to Power, Power leads to Victory!" -Me
Renegade, Jacen's power has gone. He had that brief moment where he was practically a god, but after that, he lost his grip on it. He's still hardcore, but it said he would never achieve that power again.
Luke did some badass stuff. I can't remember any of it in detail, though. The New Jedi Order isn't my favorite series.
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the best thing about the NJO is that we learn the true nature of the FOrce--there is NO dark or light side. also this is sort of going to continue well into the next series. here is my top ten fav things about the NJO:
Anakin Solo
Jacen Solo
Star by Star
Anakin's Death (not in a nasty way because it is so f***ing awesome and i always cry when readin it.)
Vergere and her multiple defections and dubious/ambiguous nature
Traitor
The spectacular Battle for Coruscant (Star by Star and UF)
The Anakin/Jacen/Luke/Kyp Force pole thing (Edge of Victory)
Anakin and Tahiri relationship
The Chiss
this isn't in order of liking, just the top ten abosoloute best stuff
it actually said that he knew he would never achieve that power again. think of it a neo not accepting he is the chosen one in the matrix. he wasn't the chosen one until he believed it himself and accepted he was, and the same for Rand al'Thor in the wheel of time.
the idea in jacen's case is that you just can't try to connect to the unifying force, you just DO through your sub-concious mind. everything was happening so fast and furious that jacen didn't have time to think. he just acted.
personally i believe that the more each jedi achieves this, the easier it becomes.
luke fought supreme overlord shimra. fought at the battle of coruscant where is was in his element after feeling anakin's death through the force which was really upsetting (luke even proceeded to smash a consol to bits with the butt of his lightsabre). oh, and he was also the one who laid down the perfect terms for the surrender of the yuuzhan vong, thus finding a semi-peaceful solution
What do you mean "What has he done?" He saved the galaxy from being conquerored by Yuuzhan Vong, which destroyed the Jedi Academy and was able to make the Yuuzhan Vong surrender. Thats what he did.
The Mandilorians cannot match up against the Yuuzhan Vong. They are creatures that are not even connected to the Force, invaders that come from out of the galaxy with abilities and technology that would make the Mandilorians extinct within days(Yuuzhan Vong are rocket lanchers and the Mandilorians are the flies...they would be over killed) The Yuuzhan Vong were even able to invade Courscant. So Revan defeated the Mandilorians...BIG DEAL...Luke Skywalker could have done the same thing, but he did somthing even better. He destroyed the Yuuzhan Vong by the thousands in a battle, and even destroyed a repectable Yuuzhan Vong leader.
Thats really not the point, and that whole not connected to the force thing, thats just bullshit and actually makes it none cannon because it contradicts the movies
But besides the point, Revan made a weakened Republic that was about to colapse able to defeat an enemy nobody thought they could beat. Luke did roughly the same thing, so why would Luke be better? How about some concrete arguments about why he is so great... He killed a respectable Yuzhan Vong leader. Yeah...
Revan beat the greatest Echani fighter, Mandalore and Malak... Concrete examples are not just stating he killed some people how about a quote from the book that shows us how powerful these guys were and why NJO Luke became god by killing them
So Darth Revan almost took over the Republic...BIG DEAL...The Yuuzhan Vong did, and had full control over Courscant. Luke Skywalker slain thousands of theses warriors and their Supreme leader, forcing them into a surrender. These warriors are not connected to the Force, which gives them an advantage over the Jedi and this does not contridict with the movies. The NJO bookline was given permission to be written by George Lucas himself, and the characters of Star Wars had no knowledge of the Yuuzhan Vong, so they were correct from their point of view about the Force is created by all living things. So Fishy silence your ignorance...you have no idea of the matter and havn't read one NJO book, so stop wasting my time with your arguments.
"all things are connected by the force. Between you and me, between the rock and tree, even between the plane and land" - Yoda or something like that.
All things, it does contradict with the movies with that... But killing thousands does not make you god. Exar Kun faced 10.000 Jedi at the end of his life and managed to shake them up quite badly... He isn't seen as god.
May 27th, 2005 11:57 PM
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