Ok well apparently Im known as an “EU hater” around these parts.
This is not necessarily to bash EU. However I noticed something that seems to contradict what EU says. Mainly in KOTOR.
We all know that EU is semi-canon (not actual canon but secondary to the movies)
And that EU generally has to follow the movies “canon”
Now feel free to correct anything wrong with my KOTOR stuff as I’ve played it but never beat it myself, though I know the story line for the most part.
However, in KOTOR there is a war. The Sith war? (if I’m right)
Now if I’m correct it’s the Sith against the Republic. No problems so far, right? Wrong.
In Episode II, Sio Bibble, the governor of Naboo says this:
”Its unthinkable, there hasn’t been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic!”
Now correct me if I’m wrong but the Sith wars in KOTOR would prolly constitute a full scale war would they not? I’m pretty damn sure it would seeing as the Republic was almost defeated and the Jedi numbers were dwindling.
This means then that continuity wise, KOTOR doesn’t check out. Since the Sith wars were about what 4000 years before Eps I? (correct if im wrong)
The Rebublic had been around for about 10,000 years as of Eps I.
So if in the “absolute canon” movies, there had not been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic, then how could only 4000 years before that, could there be a full scale war that nearly destroyed the Republic?
It makes no sense.
This is just something I noticed about continuity of EU….
Good point. I think the Republic was restarted 1000 years before TPM at the time of Darth Bane though this could be wrong. This would also go against the Exar Kun war too I think. Anyway, The Republic was started about 20,000 years before KOTOR or something like that and I don't think it's possible that all the Sith from then up until Darth Bane didn't cause even 1 full scale war. After all, Sidious says that once more the Sith will rule the galaxy so there was surely a full scale war at one point.
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Naboo is a rim planet, it might have missed the Jedi vs Sith war.
When war touches your home you remember it, if not, it's just a topic of conversation at cocktail parties.
What happened in KOTOR is the jedi cival war where you had Darth Revan and Maloch (I probably spelled his name wrong so correct me if i am) lead the war which was against the mandalorians but was not an official war where the jedi counsel sent the order for jedi's to go and fight. Revan and Maloch then turned on each other and each side had about equal jedi followers. Which then turned into the Jedi Cival war
And according to most people the Republic has existed for a thousand years just as long as the Sith are thought to be extinct... The republic was probably reformed 1000 years before TPM.
I have to agree that it was reformed 1000 yrs before TPM because if you remember from the film TMP they mention that the sith have been extinct for a 1000 yrs meaning there must have been a full war.
Revan and malak were allies, revan was the master, malak was the apprentice. the jeedai civil war was really sith against jeedai, why they called it the civil war i don't know. Malak indeed turned on Revan and shot at his cruiser, knocking him out, Revan was then taken to the jeedai council, had his mind wiped, was then trained as a jeedai once again and rose up to kill Malak.
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Thats why KotOR was set so far back, to give Bioware the freedom, and not to step on GL toes. A lot can happen in 4,000 years. The Republic could have been destroyed, rebuilt, and destroyed again in that span of time. And I remember, cause I just watched it, Palpatine saying. I will not let this Republic, that has stood for a thousand years be split into " He says that in his office in AOTC, after the destruction of Padmeas(hope i spelled that right) ship. So their you go anomaly, you showd have watched for that.
And by standing for a thousand years, I believe its formation would have been a thousand years, or at least the current Republic. I believe that it was destroyed, and rebuilt many times. Sio Bibble was referring to its most recent rebuilding. So... take it as you see it, but according to Palps in E2 the one he's ruling isn't that old. And Obi-wan says the Jedi have existed for a thousand generations, which I believe is a reign that is longer than a thousand years. And the Jedi have been in existed as long as the Republic, which has existed sine the discovery of the hyper drive. So if the Jedi have existed as long as the Republic, and that would be a thousand generations, that means the Republic must have restarted itself. BTW the Republic was verging on collapse in KotOR2.
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Re: Re: EU Continuity problem in KOTOR?
This nails it for me; it is the explanation I always had.
We know from GL, let alone KOTOR, that the Jedi and Sith used to fight, and as the Republic, with the Jedi in it, has existed for a thousand generations, we cannot pretend the Republic has never fought a war with the Sith.
Therefore, we can safely assume that Sio is talking about since a thousand years ago, when the current form of the Republic was founded.
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Also it happens to be 1000 years ago that the Sith became extinct, its only logic thats the last war the Republic had and thats when the "New, Old republic" started.
well it would seem we are right and wrong. the Republic was founded 25,000 years ago. however, there is still a technical contunity problem. Sio says "since the formation of the rebublic" there was only ever 2 official formations, commonly knows as the Old and the New republic. with the "Old" being anytime before palpatines rule over the galaxy and the "New" being after.
however the official SW site says that there were indeed many conflicts during the 25,000 year span of the Old Republic.
so in fact there were conflics, as well as Palpatines (which i forgot he said) "....that has stood for 1000 years" does not make sense because it was (according to EU, 25,000 years) much much MUCH older then a 1000 years.
so, not only is Sio's comment contridictory, but so is palpatines.
now, technically the movies are Canon so it holds anyways, but for EU it makes no sense.
even though it says "full-scale military conflict remained a distant memory." it still happened. technically.
I find it odd that great wars such as these would be "forgotten".
never the less its still a weird problem with EU and Canon.
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