The so called "Most Powerful Sith Lord Ever"

OMG Sids is the best caus he had force lightin! And de was in the movies!

SIDIOUS IS COWARD! I am annoyed and sick of hearing how great Sidious was, how powerful Sidious was, and how cool Sidious was. He is nothing compared to ancient Sith Lords like, Ragnos, Sadow, Hord, Kun, and Revan.

Oh, Darth Sidious is probably not the most powerful Sith Lord. But like comparing other Star Wars entities against one another, you truly have nothing but pure speculation as who is stronger. Sidious is the greatest Sith Lord - no one truly disputes that - because he did conquer the galaxy and he is the only one to ever do it, in fact.

But I doubt he is the most powerful. Perhaps the most cunning and most diabolical. And he is powerful. But not the most powerful.

bahh what are you talking about count dooku killed everyone...

And trust me. There are more people babbling about how cool and how powerful Darth Revan is. It's also ridiculous.

dude count dookue cut revan in half how can they think hes cool. dooku wore revans head as a hat for 3 days when he was crossin the dixie line in his van

He was the best intellectually for being the first Sith to conquer the galaxy, but when it come to raw power, he'd be torn apart by the earlier generations.

He's the best Sith Politician out there without any doubt, but thats all he really is.

Originally posted by Fishy
He's the best Sith Politician out there without any doubt, but thats all he really is.

He's the best SENATE MANIPULATER.

If he had to deal with dozens of Sith coming after his life and position, he might not fare so well. I don't feel Sidious would have lasted very long as head of the Old Sith Empire.

Thats what I said, he's a politician

Originally posted by Fishy
Thats what I said, he's a politician

Politics involve a lot more than getting 400 people in a room to like you. He manipulated those individuals with the force and a nice visage, but if he were to get matched with a political genius, I don't think he'll last.

Palps took advantage of a weakpoint in the republic - with the seperatists being disgruntled, the Jedi diminishing, and the Senate looking for a hero. He's no more of a great politician than a Hitler was.

Hitler was a brilliant politician, nobody managed to influence the masses like he did. Its hard to find better politicians then that. Politicians manipulate the masses and the people. Palpatine did that, better then most. That still makes him a politician. And he did not use the force otherwise there wouldn't have been humans in the resistance.

Originally posted by Fishy
Hitler was a brilliant politician, nobody managed to influence the masses like he did. Its hard to find better politicians then that. Politicians manipulate the masses and the people. Palpatine did that, better then most. That still makes him a politician. And he did not use the force otherwise there wouldn't have been humans in the resistance.

Hitler himself wasn't an intrinsically good politician. He tried taking over Germany once, and landed himself in jail. What he did was suround himself with talented individuals within his party, and then warped the entire ideal.

Moreover, Hitler found a NICHE. Germany was reeling after the failure of the Weimar Republic and the enormous depression the nation was in.

Hitler was successful, like Sdious was, but to say either was a master politician would be an inaccurate moniker. Both of them were master manipulators.

It results into the same thin. A politician manipulates the masses to get what he wants, Hitler and Sidious did the same. If you want to call that something different then what I call it thats fine, at least we agree on what they were in essence, just not in the name.

You tell me that a man who started as a seller of art on the street with no money and later become ruler of Europe is not talented?

Originally posted by Moff jango
You tell me that a man who started as a seller of art on the street with no money and later become ruler of Europe is not talented?

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lmao...

Nice

Originally posted by Camael
dude count dookue cut revan in half how can they think hes cool. dooku wore revans head as a hat for 3 days when he was crossin the dixie line in his van

Say what? Ehh I am confused by this foolish statement.

Hitler was a powerful oratory speaker. Not much of a politician. He was in the military and had a genius level IQ. But Hitler's main ability was that he was an incredible speaker, and many of his enemies later said of him that in order to hate him as passionately as they did, they made sure not to hear a single word of his speeches, for fear of being swayed.

Anyways, Fishy, Emperor Revan even said Sidious was the greatest Sith Lord. Sidious's methods worked. Revan's, Malak's, and all the rest did not. Sidious took over the galaxy, the others did not. He may not be the most powerful - never said that. But he is the greatest for doing what no other Sith ever accomplished.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Hitler was a powerful oratory speaker. Not much of a politician. He was in the military and had a genius level IQ. But Hitler's main ability was that he was an incredible speaker, and many of his enemies later said of him that in order to hate him as passionately as they did, they made sure not to hear a single word of his speeches, for fear of being swayed.

Anyways, Fishy, Emperor Revan even said Sidious was the greatest Sith Lord. Sidious's methods worked. Revan's, Malak's, and all the rest did not. Sidious took over the galaxy, the others did not. He may not be the most powerful - never said that. But he is the greatest for doing what no other Sith ever accomplished.

You don't know that Revan's methods have or haven't worked and at this point no one on this forum does. There isn't a time in the movies where it's said Sidious is the first and only to rule the Republic. If anything, it's hinted that this is the Sith's second or third chance.

Also, avoid using greatest... That's a heavily opinionated word, and the one you need for your description is 'effective', effective being in regards to conquering the Republic. SOme of us here aren't all that thrilled with manipulation on a political front and prefer fighters or assassins or generals. Thus we have those who qualify for our 'greatest' Sith of all time, even if the criteria is different.

And there isn't really a problem with Sidious being championed around here like there was before ROTS.

all I can say about that noobs statement is