He DID bring peace to the galaxy (even though it was because of him there was war in the first place). And there were no need for the Jedi, look at how pathetic the common Jedi Knight/Master was, only a handful of them would have been worth keeping.
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I like the idea Revan and Malak had. I wish the republic would of been wiped out for good they should of concentrated on the main leaders and killed them off aren't you tired of hearing about the REPUBLIC's bullcrap and there weak army JUST DIE ALRDY. GO EMPIRE
I believe that (and yeah, blatantly stealing from Vergere here) that there is no Dark Side and the so called skills of that name are closer to the true force because the Dark Siders are being true to their own feelings, not denying them.
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I thought it was quite obvious that darksiders lie to themselves, saying they are being true to themselves in order to justify the acts of hate and aggression that they unleash on the world.
And Sidious did NOT bring peace... he ushered in a new age of suffering and infighting, as slavery was widely practiced, worlds subjugated and tormented on his rule... rebellion at every corner. As a result of Sidious' machinations, the most peaceful planet in the known galaxy was destroyed.
Bring peace my ass.
As for Malak, he was a butcher and nothing more. He had no more ambition save make the galaxy his and if possibly, crush it in the process. Revan, however, uses the morality of a field general in that "anything I have to use I will use, just to win." I can't say I agree with him, but if his actions prove to be for the better of the Republic, then perhaps he is the only villain I agree with.
jango fett... he fought partly for his mando friends which the jedi whiped out which i agree with
revan he turned on the republic to save it
__________________ Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power I gain victory
Through victory my chains are broken
The Force shall set me free
Arent they though? What is easier? To hate, fear and attack, or to purge, to remain tranquil and calm? To feel, to lust, to want, or to deny, to abstain, to put aside? What is truer to basic nature?
The Jedi claim to serve the forces will, but if the force is all living things, the sith and their emotions make them closer to the true force then the Jedi. Note I don't say perfect. The sith are massivly flawed in several ways, namely that they disrupt balance with their excess, though that is a a common enough problem in nature. Perfect harmony is less seen.
Some would say Anakin fell from the light side despite his immense force power. I'd say he failed because of it.
Palpatine didn't make the Old Republic as bad as it was. We saw it's decline in Episode I, while he was still but a humble Nabooian senator. He just took advantage of what he saw as a golden opportunity. I'd imagine the Senate had been in decline for decades.
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Easier is not neccessarily better. Being a Jedi requires self control and discipline. Being a Sith requires being little more than an animal. Whereas Jedi seek to find balance and harmony with all living things and strive for perfection in being, Sith and darksiders seek to dominate all living things and strive for perfection in destruction.
The Jedi claim to serve the Force's will as they see it, and the Sith care nothing for the will of the Force and only for themselves. Which sounds more reasonable to you... The collected teachings and learnings of a good-aligned society that has spent thousands upon thousands of years trying to bring good to all... Or delve into the quick and easy way of the Sith... only to die a short, miserable death at the hands of someone you may have known or trusted?
The Sith are not any closer to perfection in being by simply giving in to their base, inner natures. If anything, they are forsaking their logical brain, something only an advanced sentient (human or otherwise) actually has control of. It's not as if people are just mynocks flying around, chewing on power cables because they have instinct to do so. Human beings (and in SW, other sentients) possess a mind that is capable of obstract thinking and rational thought. The mind craves things that make sense, but in order to find those things one must not let the truth be drowned out by the primal urges.
So in short, the villains of Star Wars are incapable of being true to themselves and to the universe as a whole, because they are negatively-driven beasts in a sentient's skin. Whereas the Jedi are enlightened sentients who value themselves and others.
The one thing about KOTOR that confused me was, Kreia stated that, Revan unlike the other Sith was true to himself never truly fell (I could be wrong since its sorta hard to read diologue files).
well i agree with revan on the i'm gonna do what i want to and if you're gonna try and stop me then try. i think he had a good punk attitude and thats what i'm all about do what you want to and he was tryin to save the galaxy as his overall goal.
As the Majority of the Galaxy does not involve sentients, but rather the hard rules of nature (Strong survive, weak perish/suffer by the strong). If anything, enlightened sentients who value themselves and others are closer to being unnatural. Having people you care about sure, but caring about everybody? I won't deny that if it worked we'd have a perfect Utopia, but did it work for the Republic? Nope. It fell apart because of it's own massive corrpution (which would have to around long before Palpatine got to work) allowing Palpatine to get as far as he did. He made things much worse once he got in office, of course, but he was just the infection on an already open and bleeding mortal wound.
Easier isn't better, no. The question is why is it easier. And why indeed? Because it is consistent with sentient nature. If it wasn't a natural state, it wouldn't be so damn easy.
Jedi claim to serve the force. But force has no preferance toward Good and Evil. These are sentient concepts. If it did prefer "Good", it wouldn't let the sith be so damn strong. It sure as hell wouldn't let "the balance" be restored by killing off everybody and starting anew.
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