SWTOR(G) (Released on December 20, 2011) is the first source to promote Sith Emperor as the most powerful Force-user in the mythos:
The Sith Emperor has mastered the dark side's power to become the most dominating Force-user the galaxy has ever seen.
Later on, SWTOR(E) (Co-authored by several writers and released on October 15, 2012) reinforced the aforementioned revelation from the associated source SWTOR(G):
The Sith Emperor is the most powerful Force-user who has ever existed. Unless this implacable enemy can be defeated, the Jedi Order is doomed.
SWOW promotes Anakin Skywalker as having the potential to become the most powerful Force-user ever:
The Jedi Order discovered Anakin Skywalker as a slave boy on Tatooine. He had the potential to be the most powerful Force-user ever, and perhaps was even the Chosen One of an ancient Jedi prophecy.
It shall be kept in mind that Force-users such as The Father, The Son, The Daughter and Abeloth have co-existed with Sith Emperor but were not involved in the galactic politics/developments. Abeloth, in particular, was imprisoned in a galactic region known as The Maw during this time.
Abeloth was first introduced to the mythos in SWFOTJO (Released in March 24, 2009) and The Ones (The Father, The Son and The Daughter) were introduced to the mythos in SWTCWO (Released in January 28, 2011).
Abeloth, in particular, is stated to be a dozen times stronger then Luke Skywalker in SWLOTFV (Released on December 30, 2010):
It was no good. Abeloth had a dozen times the Force strength Luke had, and he could do no more than keep her from crushing his throat.
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Candidates for most powerful practitioners of the dark:
SWTCE (Co-authored by several writers and released on December 9, 2008) promoted Darth Sidious as the most powerful practitioner of the dark:
The two engaged in a spectacular duel - a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides.
SWTCE also revealed following about Exar Kun:-
Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for deaths of millions four millennia before the Empire.
SWDP (Released on January 10, 2012) promotes Darth Plagueis as the most powerful Sith Lord on its backcover:
Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. But could he be the only one who never died?
SWTOR(E) promotes Sith Emperor as the history's most powerful dark side master:
The Sith Emperor, history's most powerful dark side master, performed a ritual of incredible scope to consume the life energy of every being on his homeworld.
Revan also have a notable accolade in this respect from KoTORCG (Co-authored by several writers and released on August 19, 2008):
Darth Revan was one of the most powerful Sith Lords in galactic history.
NOTE:
SWTCE was written and released prior introduction of Force-users such as Sith Emperor, Abeloth and The Ones (The Father, The Son and The Daughter) to the mythos.
Candidates for most powerful practitioners of the light:
SWTCE promoted Yoda as the most powerful practitioner of the light:
The two engaged in a spectacular duel - a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides.
Later on, SWTLY (Released on March 18, 2013; aimed for Children) reinforced the aforementioned promotion of Yoda.
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Mr. Lucas have asserted that both Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker had higher potential in the Force then Darth Sidious. This revelation holds true for G-canon depictions of these characters. Mr. Lucas represents his works in his sayings, not EU:
"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe—the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."
"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
"They have their own kind of world. There's three pillars of Star Wars. I'll probably get in trouble for this but it's OK! There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman [president of Lucas Licensing] is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories. Now these three different pillars don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves. Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it's hard to hold him back. He once said to me that there are two Star Trek universes: there's the TV show and then there's all the spin-offs. He said that these were completely different and didn't have anything to do with each other. So I said, "OK, go ahead." In the early days I told them that they couldn't do anything about how Darth Vader was born, for obvious reasons, but otherwise I pretty much let them do whatever they wanted. They created this whole amazing universe that goes on for millions of years!"
NOTE:
Darth Sidious is no longer a mortal after the events depicted in SWROTJ (Released on May 25, 1983) and becomes more powerful then he ever had been after his re-emergence as pointed out in SWDE related sources released in 1990s).
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Thus far, Luke Skywalker have following notable accolades:
Even Luke's strength in the Force cannot help. The most powerful Jedi Master in the galaxy can only stand by and watch his wife die. (From SWTNJOS, released in 2002)
"Luke Skywalker is still the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. I think we should assume he has a plan," Jaina said.. (From SWFOTJV)
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Revan have some notable accolades too from SWTOR(R) which was released on November 15, 2011:
Though the Mandalorian fought valiantly, in the end he was no match for the Jedi Order's most powerful champion.
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She still wasn't sure what to make of Lord Scourge. She had sensed that his offer to work together was sincere, though she wondered how much of that was Revan's doing. It was easy to understand how Scourge could be drawn to him; Revan's command of the Force was greater than that of anyone else she had ever met. And she knew how charismatic he could be. Even though he was a prisoner it wasn’t hard to imagine him being in total control of the situation.
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Interestingly, Lord Sourge, who have met both Revan and Hero of Tython, stated this about the latter:
"You are the Jedi's finest."
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Sources (arranged in release date order):-
- SWTLY = Star Wars: The Legendary Yoda
- SWTOR(E) = Star Wars: The Old Republic (Encyclopedia)
- SWDP = Star Wars: Darth Plagueis
- SWTOR(R) = Star Wars: The Old Republic (Revan)
- SWTOR(G) = Star Wars: The Old Republic (Game)
- SWTCWO = Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Overlords
- SWLOTFV = Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Vortex
- SWFOTJO = Star Wars: Legacy of the Force: Outcast
- SWTCE = Star Wars: The Complete Encyclopedia
- KoTORCG = Knights of the Old Republic: Campaign Guide
- SWTNJOS = Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Sourcebook
- SWDE = Star Wars: Dark Empire
- SWROTJ = Star Wars: Return of the Jedi (Episode 6)
Independently:-
- SWOW = Star Wars Official Website
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Also the one about Caedus where it says he's better than Vader, and when he was in a state of oneness, he was the most powerful Force practitioner yet.
Don't have the exact quotes. The cover of one of the book stated Caedus to be more powerful than Vader, and it was claimed that when he reached oneness, he was the most powerful Force adept ever seen.
It's the Father (and perhaps Mortis Anakin Skywalker) with the Son and Daughter coming in second and third. This has been confirmed by the CW tv show which overwrites and C-canon sources.
Jacen becoming the most powerful manifestation of the force is mentioned in Essential Guide to the Force.
"Abeloth screamed from a mouth that slashed her face in two. Unable to retain her form, unable even to notice that she had not retained her form, she thrashed and howled as tentacles erupted from her torso and her face shifted like melting wax. Her anguish used the Force as a weapon, as she had so often before, but this time she was barely aware that she was releasing nearly inconceivable amounts of Force energy upon a city that was completely unprepared for it.
There were several dozen beings within immediate range, some sleeping quietly in their beds. Most were with their families.
They imploded. Farther away, others awoke in agony as their bodies were turned inside out and chunks were ripped from their bones.
The entire city was attacked by a wind filled with glass shards, each a shikkar driven by a single purpose—to hurt anyone, anything, living inside the City of Glass. They were the Lost Tribe—they would suffer, all of them, as their leader had made her suffer.
The shards melted as they pierced flesh, spreading white-hot, painful death. The buildings, made of metal and glass, dripped slowly toward the ground, smothering those unfortunate enough to be dwelling inside them.
None of it harmed Abeloth, though she would not have noticed if it had. She barely noticed when she was lifted from the street where she lay convulsing up into the night air, and a large shape that looked like nothing so much as an angry orange eye sped toward her."
Impressive for sure, but I still think Nihilus is arguably more powerful.
How hard they are to kill is important as well, but in power output I think Nihilus should be placed above her.
DE Sidious I might possibly say is the single most powerful, considering both his power output (Force Storm, and other very powerful abilities) and how hard he was to kill (his spirit could basically keep returning indefinitely, when not faced with extremely powerful spiritual interference, and could possess living vessels at will).
Who's more powerful, Abeloth or the Father, per the source material (and not Leland Chan's statement)?
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Jacen continued to stand firm, righting the world. He had become so powerful as to be dangerous to his own galaxy, for he could see clearly the temptations of the dark side and the desire to force one's will on others to so completely dominate that all life would kowtow to him. He purged his mind of all pride and evil intent and entered a moment of unadulterated bliss, where he seemed to have unlocked the very secrets of existence. He knew that he would never again be able to reach this exalted state, and at once that he would spend the rest of his life trying.
This doesn't implies that Jacen became the most powerful Force-user in the mythos, even for a brief period; he experienced a moment of oneness.
@ares834
The source you mentioned is written from the perspective of individuals within the Star Wars. Nonetheless, can you pinpoint the exact page number?
Jacen became a full on Being of Light, he was totally One with the Force.
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It was only briefly but he was the most powerful at that point.
Nihilus' was overly powerful with his Drain, his other abilities weren't as powerful.
From what I've heard The Son blew up a mountain with lightning and it was said that he and The Daughter would destroy the universe if they fought out of Mortis. The Father is even more powerful than them.
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